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1 :ひかり ★:2020/05/08(金) 12:43:09 ID:dYkVGeGb9.net
5/8(金) 5:59配信 デイリースポーツ
https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20200508-00000004-dal-ent
新型コロナウイルス感染拡大の影響を受け撮影を休止している、長谷川博己(43)主演のNHK大河ドラマ「麒麟がくる」(日曜、後8・00)が、放送回数を減らす方向で調整していることが7日、分かった。撮影再開のめどが立たない中、6月7日放送分の第21話で撮影済みストックが切れることから放送中断は不可避。“越年”の可能性も浮上したが、年内終了へ回数減で対応する可能性が高くなった。
「麒麟−」は4月1日から撮影を休止。その後、緊急事態宣言を受け同7日には収録中止の延長を発表していた。仮に6月に同宣言が解除されて、撮影を再開したとしても、同14日の放送には物理的に間に合わず、放送中断は避けられない事態。大幅な撮影遅れへの対応策が話し合われる中で、関係者は「本数を少なくすると聞いている」と話し、回数短縮を軸とすることで協議が進められているようだ。
撮影再開の時期は依然として不透明だ。「宣言が解除されたとしても、すぐに撮影を始められるというものでもない」と関係者。大河は他の作品に比べ大人数が制作に関わるため、より“3密”になりやすい環境が生まれやすく、慎重な判断が求められる。政府の専門家会議が宣言解除の基準を提示する方針の14日が、撮影再開の時期や可否について見極めるポイントになりそうだ。
今作は女優・沢尻エリカの逮捕により放送開始が2週間延期され、さらに東京五輪・パラリンピック期間の5話分が放送休止となり通常よりも短い全44話の放送となっていた。NHK広報局は「現時点で発表できることは何もございません」としている。
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 12:50:48 ID:7TkIXV4P0.net
いやぁ、帰蝶が川口春奈でよかった
エリカさまだったら、すれたクラブのチーママみたいな帰蝶になっていたかも
顔もきれいしかわいいから、若い頃のおきゃんな帰蝶はみたかったかもだけど
どうもうわべだけの嘘くさいしたり顔の演技派風を装った帰蝶になってたかもなので
棚ぼただったかも、災い転じてく福となすだったかも
みずきありさの帰蝶も今一つだったし、新たな帰蝶像だわ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 12:56:14.40 ID:zZYE56Kk0.net
>>11
アホだな
帰蝶が沢尻、駒が川口
これが最高
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 12:59:47 ID:xjq44Mtr0.net
>>22
そう思う
駒がなぜムカつくかというとブサイクだから
美人なら許される部分もあると思う
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:02:52 ID:zZYE56Kk0.net
>>36
ブサイクが美人扱いされてるとムカつくよなw
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:09:09 ID:RyrJZcgn0.net
>>39
幼少の頃にあんな賢かった家康が少年になりすっかり凡人になって、駒ブスにドギマギしてるのもがっかり
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:11:13 ID:/ubIFq700.net
>>39
美人扱いはされてないだろ。かわいい扱いはされてるが
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:14:28 ID:gzpWZjtv0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:23:37.07 ID:JMJvCxJ00.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 00:15:27 ID:nnMa+79B0.net
>>22
駒ちゃんは広瀬すずがいいよ
庶民的でめちゃ可愛いから家康が名前聞いちゃうのも分かる
川口春奈だと品が良すぎると思う
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 01:41:14 ID:NBIJtuVA0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:53:36 ID:uxBaoPB00.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:25:35.81 ID:zyNqoJRY0.net
>>11
同意
そもそも沢尻って演技がワザとらしくって
言うほど上手くないよね
あと駒いらん
ねじ込むにしても何故もっと美人か清純派風の子を使わなかったんだ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:41:46 ID:5eElAOhL0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:29:37 ID:PkK7Cgq20.net
NHKの力の入れ具合
本木
家族に乾杯
プロフェッショナル(通常回+副音声回)
土曜スタジオパーク(公開→コロナで通常)
初回ライブビューイング
長谷川
チコちゃん(正月SP)
土曜スタジオパーク(通常)
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:33:05.87 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
>>404
プロフェッショナルでモックンが薄ら笑いを浮かべながら
「主演でもないのに撮り直しをお願いしてすいませ〜ん」って言ってたやん。
ありゃあ長谷川某の立場ないだろうな、と思って観てたよ。
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:35:02.92 ID:PkK7Cgq20.net
>>408
日曜のプロフェッショナル再放送は
本人の副音声付きというスペシャル待遇!
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:39:07 ID:K8D9Jx0j0.net
>>408
自分はそれ見逃しちゃったけど
プロフェッショナルが放送されてから本木道三の演技に対して辛辣なレスが増えたよ
何度も撮りなおしてあれなのかって
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:41:46.07 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
>>423
ディープなファンはそう見るのかもしれないけど、薄い一般層にとってはもはや完全なモックン大河ですわ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:42:47.90 ID:K8D9Jx0j0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 00:17:22 ID:nnMa+79B0.net
>>423
まあモックンは演技下手よね
ビジュアルでカバーしてるけども
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:38:23 ID:zomES0sT0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:50:44 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
>>513
まあご自分でプロフェッショナル再放送観られて判断された方がよいのではないかと。
個人的には、過度の自信喪失ぶりなんかにも独善が見えるし
スター特有のナルシスと感とか唯我独尊的なところがあるように思えたけどね。
主演の長谷川博己は他人に気遣いができて慇懃無礼なところもないぶん
スター性には欠けるような気がするね。非の打ちどころのない紳士だけど
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:52:31 ID:zomES0sT0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:34:22.30 ID:ZvXz4Xpd0.net
>>404
いやいや
番宣を頑張るのは2番手3番手の仕事だぞ
主役は忙しいからな
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:37:47 ID:2slo6ivB0.net
>>411
主演のハセヒロと二番手の染谷は撮り直しのせいでカツカツだったろうしな
主要キャストの中で比較的スケジュールに余裕のあるモックンが番宣に駆り出されたんだろう
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:06:30 ID:+Q42tcSe0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:16:57 ID:D/N2w1rE0.net
>>474
道三が親子2代設定なら
秀吉も親子2代設定ってことで岡村が二役でもいいんじゃ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:23:37.91 ID:b+5jAeVi0.net
>>474
意外と岡村は初代服部半蔵なのではと思ってしまう。
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:48:39 ID:/IBqsgy20.net
>>474
秀吉やるなら明るさと黒さを出す演技力は要るだろ。岡村は猿顔ってだけだぞ。
服部半蔵ならわかる。
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:21:09.05 ID:SAhm6ce60.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:30:25.69 ID:N38C/sjU0.net
>>474
小柄だけど顔は老けてるから染谷より年下に見えない
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:24:25.02 ID:Sp2fdvQr0.net
染谷の信長像は面白かった。
帰蝶はやっぱりエリカ様でみたかったな
秀吉は日本の歴史上最高速度の出世を描きたかったんだろうが、
スタート地点を低く見積もりすぎ、あんな小汚い冴えない男じゃ出世街道ばく進は無理
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:29:13 ID:PLRGAGFNO.net
>>84
むしろ佐々木蔵之介が明智光秀なんだよな
岡村隆史が藤吉郎で本木雅弘が信長
道三は吉田鋼太郎で長谷川は将軍義昭
染谷は家康
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:32:22.50 ID:zyNqoJRY0.net
>>94
たしかにイメージはそっちの方が合う
でもやって面白いかどうかは未知数
今の麒麟は結構面白い
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:41:44 ID:IoQlV5DV0.net
>>84
それ以前に小男であるはずの秀吉が180cm超えの蔵之介ってのは・・・
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:09:07.77 ID:N38C/sjU0.net
>>268
信長より年下で小男なのに親ぐらいの年齢差の大男をキャスティング・・・
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:51:38 ID:/ubIFq700.net
>>268
大河のキャスティングなんか昔からそうだよ
滝田栄が家康、ケワタナビが政宗、仲村トオルが秀吉
180超えの俳優が小男の役やってる
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:31:04 ID:19VNGkdA0.net
麦川口尾野堺岡村とイラナイモノが幅を利かせすぎなのでもっとはしょって良い
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:37:45 ID:2slo6ivB0.net
>>502
川口帰蝶とオノマチの太夫はいるだろ
後は不要だけど
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:54:07 ID:19VNGkdA0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:09:18 ID:0hSH+q+M0.net
>>502
川口と尾野は面白いから絶対必要
二人の共演シーンも本木vs伊藤英明より見応えあったし
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:17:48 ID:YjQcy1E/0.net
>>502
川口と染谷の絡みは必要
モックンの志を継ぐ娘と娘婿が本編だよ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:38:09 ID:WB/CwdpD0.net
>>786
でも普通の大河よりは話題にはなってるよね
良くないイメージで
それもまた不思議な運命だよなあ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:41:28 ID:HKe1HAmP0.net
>>793
若い頃から禿げるくらいに散々勉強やスキルアップに努めて
苦労して織田家に尽くしてきて領地丹波では善政しいたのに
後世裏切り者だのいわれたり
ホントかわいそうな人
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:41:40 ID:ECf1boPV0.net
>>793
普通の大河よりは話題にはなってるよ
良いイメージで
大河ドラマ 第16回 視聴率
2020年 麒麟 16.2%
2019年 いだてん 7.1%
2018年 西郷 11.1%
2017年 直虎 13.7%
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:45:25 ID:8Kq+10Px0.net
>>797
時代に逆行して視聴率が上がってるのは評価されてるんだろうな
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:57:25 ID:ECf1boPV0.net
>>801
NetflixやHuluなど過去含めてネットで面白いコンテンツが猛威を奮ってるこの時代に、
この視聴率出てるのは支持されてる
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:01:11 ID:irpMZ7ee0.net
一度例外を許すとどんどん崩れていくから、ちゃんと年内に収めて欲しい
>>811
コロナのおかげ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:13:44.13 ID:WB/CwdpD0.net
>>797
ここ数年の大河の視聴率ほどあてにならないものもない
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:16:13.97 ID:TkKyz4zO0.net
お駒ちゃんはあの時代に自由に動きすぎだな
一人で美濃行くとか気軽に言うなよ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:28:26.84 ID:j2Mjeuyg0.net
>>821
京都−美濃間 なんてメイン幹線道路みたいなもんだから
そんなに山賊なんて出ないんじゃね?w
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:42:59 ID:8dvDgOWu0.net
>>824
第1話見た?
あの第1話の、道中に見られるこの時代の人々の暮らしや苦しみ、荒廃の描写が
すごく好きで、引き込まれた
で、実際に光秀がたった一人で堺に行ったり、京に行ったり、なんてことは、当然あり得ないから
荒れた時代 こっそり行かせる使者だって数人チームでいかないと、命の保証はゼロに近い
ましてや当時珍しい鉄砲を運ぶというのに
ま、ドラマですからね 厳密に再現する必要はないでしょう
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 12:31:04 ID:ipw6W5N8O.net
>>834
庶民のきらびやかな着物でびっくりした
ぼっちゃんの信長の方がみすぼらしい
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:30:49 ID:zD8O9OY00.net
>>821
「来てしまったよ」の一言で京から奥州平泉まで
瞬間移動してた義経のうつぼに比べれば駒の移動距離はまだ常識の範囲内だ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 20:45:53 ID:hgaa5cuD0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:37:41.79 ID:knigMe/d0.net
これって、麒麟だけの問題じゃなくて、来年の1万円札大河も撮影開始できるのか?
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:39:52 ID:6Ti3Mk9G0.net
>>112
そっちは撮影開始遅くすれば良いだけだからねぇ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:43:02 ID:u1MN8nzw0.net
>>112
渋沢はたぶん中止にする
下手に動くと全てロスになるし
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:47:50 ID:Gq8wa7mB0.net
>>112
渋沢は海外ロケ予定してたから尚更厳しい
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:00:04 ID:nNb3dwSv0.net
>>1
「いだてん」に続き、「麒麟が来る」もかいな?
NHK大河ドラマは呪われとるなwww
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:03:07 ID:knigMe/d0.net
>>145
【いだてん様の呪い】
金栗出身地の熊本県和水町 → 震度6弱(1月3日:特番放送中)、震度5弱(1月25日)の地震
ピエール瀧 → コカイン逮捕
ビートたけし → 離婚
萩原健一 → 死去 → こんなのが名優ショーケン遺作確定
チュート徳井 → 1億円超の申告漏れ
阿部サダヲ? → 交通事故
ドラマ自体 → 空前絶後最凶最悪の低視聴率
いだてん=マラソン → 札幌へ
札幌 → コロナ蔓延 → 北海道緊急事態宣言へ
東京オリンピック → コロナ蔓延 → オリンピック史上初の延期へ
宮藤官九郎 → コロナ感染
大河ドラマ → 収録一時見合わせ
阿部サダヲ? → クドカンの濃厚接触者として自宅待機へ
いだてん再放送開始日(4月6日) → 安倍総理、明日にも緊急事態宣言発令を決意
コロナで撮影中断 → 収録ストック不足 → 6月で放送中断 → 事実上の打ち切りかへ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:58:00 ID:DIAMjCXO0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:34:32 ID:knigMe/d0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:00:45 ID:RyrJZcgn0.net
沢尻なんかキャスティングしなければもう少し先まで撮影できてたのに
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:07:43.79 ID:/ubIFq700.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:59:58 ID:k7lgKodm0.net
>>153
作者の要望なら仕方ないが役者や現場スタッフは気の毒に
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:29:08.34 ID:5MCO0iXk0.net
>>146
池端俊策先生が沢尻エリカ大好きだから沢尻キャスティングは脚本家マター
濃姫が出っぱなしなのもそれが理由
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:05:22 ID:kbyoyTlc0.net
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:08:19 ID:rSCuV9jO0.net
>>221
オリンピックが飛んでんのよ。戦争並の非常事態なんだよ。
組んでたスケジュールじたいがグチャグチャなんだから、一回リセットも全然アリだろ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:32:57 ID:cs3jQfg20.net
>>221
ぶっちゃけ先のスケジュール白紙なんてどこも同じだから何とでもなると思うよ
大河は長期拘束するからどこよりも早くスケジュール押さえるわけで
大河だって年間通して出演するごく一部だけの話だし
それと同じレベルの来年以降の作品のためのスケジュールを抑えられてる人がどれほどいるのかって話
そもそも他所なんて次クールのキャストすら押さえてないでしょ
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:35:12 ID:Z797sgp80.net
>>255
さすがに押さえてるけど、コロナで発表出来ないのでは?
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名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:12:30 ID:oXbdIx4Y0.net
327 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:15:01.83 ID:m3zgCBCa0.net
>>319
・ピエール
・徳井
・視聴率低迷
いだてんもいろいろ災難だったぞw
332 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:22:44 ID:CJvVErNO0.net
>>327
いだてんは初回に地元の熊本に地震がきて
初回PVが中止になったりもしてる
初回から色々アレだなあと思ったから印象深い
364 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:03:48 ID:Vnu0dq+M0.net
369 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:06:22 ID:kRdUlt4J0.net
376 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:10:03 ID:WYJ9oiKkO.net
>>364
坂の上の雲がそうだったな。
綾瀬はるかの無国籍荒唐無稽アクションドラマは3年だったかな。
386 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:19:31 ID:01rcWGIU0.net
577 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:25:32.46 ID:G8rXopg40.net
580 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:27:52.12 ID:N38C/sjU0.net
>>577
麦、真千子、まちゃあき、岡村カルテットの役柄
全部いらない
582 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:32:23 ID:0hSH+q+M0.net
587 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:34:36 ID:N38C/sjU0.net
>>582
真千子自身はいいんだけどあのキャラはいらないような
別の役で出してほしかった
くノ一とかでもいいけど
642 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 21:10:49.00 ID:s4Camddy0.net
>>587
脚本の池端俊策は
太平記でも旅芸人一座として
樋口可南子花夜叉だしてたから
場所固定せずに上流階層に食い込める
芸人は史実を埋めるには都合がいい存在
603 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:55:44 ID:Z797sgp80.net
610 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 20:04:42 ID:UBCzp6+T0.net
>>603
解除して2週間以内にほぼ全部とるぐらいじゃないと東京とか再燃は早そう
612 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 20:08:13 ID:CRzDCZsJ0.net
620 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 20:20:46 ID:Z797sgp80.net
>>612
どうして分かるんですか?
今の自粛生活を続けてればさすがに収まると思いますけど・・・
大河は地方で撮影をするとかならないんですか?
786 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:19:15 ID:HKe1HAmP0.net
死後450年余りが過ぎて
世間に注目を浴びるチャンス
という言うときにこの不運
生きてる時も死んだ後も運の無い人
839 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:55:46 ID:8oKK52r50.net
領地をとられることに異常な反応示してたから、本能寺の変は丹波の領地切り取りが原因になるんだろうな
850 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 12:41:53.63 ID:aNgAp7ZC0.net
>>839
光秀って本能寺の変を起こした時にはもう50代で
隠居して当然の年齢だったんだってね
それでお払い箱になる可能性があった事も
背景にはあったのではないかって話らしいが
853 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 12:48:55.19 ID:ipw6W5N8O.net
>>850
高齢で最前線なら他にも柴田勝家とかいたけどね
滝川一益も領地より茶器が良いって言ったのにもうちょっとがんばってくれよと隠居させてもらえなかった
858 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 12:58:03 ID:BtMQ3vvc0.net
>>850
本願寺攻めが終わったら佐久間信盛はお払い箱で追放されたからなあ
861 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 13:07:25 ID:v9N/ftO50.net
>>858
しかも担当の四国で梯子外されて、出世競争からほぼ転落した形でのタイミングで本能寺なんだよな
897 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 21:02:44.28 ID:aCiG2iDB0.net
929 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 02:27:21 ID:V/qylz0z0.net
941 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 05:56:58 ID:kmoFipQu0.net
>>897
渋沢はちゃんと知ると面白い人物
いろんな企業を作って日本の歴史にも関与してるからエピソードが多い
明智光秀なんかよりよっぽど興味深い人物だよ
945 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 06:23:45 ID:SNOhg4hW0.net
>>941
渋沢が韓国に鉄道敷いたこととかちゃんとやるかな?
NHKだからカットしそう
107 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:36:04.85 ID:64cFh3Wc0.net
110 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:37:32.66 ID:kh1egM+a0.net
626 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 20:33:14 ID:bCgi4Dze0.net
109 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:36:52.02 ID:SLX/DhT20.net
116 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:38:39 ID:VEIGVMIB0.net
182 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:21:51 ID:Z797sgp80.net
>>109
長谷川は作品に恵まれてる方だから不運ではないでしょ。
143 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:56:00.55 ID:n4z448uD0.net
5ちゃんねるでは無職ひきこもりに評判の悪い麻生太郎
でもめちゃくちゃ波瀾万丈人生して大河向きなのにな
大河で見られるのは死んでさらに30年くらいしないと無理かな
148 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:01:04 ID:8aT5Yqkz0.net
157 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:09:51 ID:/ubIFq700.net
>>143
どこらへんが波乱万丈なの? 全部お付きの者にやってもらってるぼんぼんが
217 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:01:58 ID:oh9j1T9q0.net
明智光秀が主役の時に限って短縮放送になるとは。
光秀ってとことんついてないな。
228 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:10:02 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
388 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:21:18 ID:nGqnoi+J0.net
>>228
じゃあ、平将門や崇徳上皇のドラマは無理か
395 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:25:29.15 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
>>388
風と雲と虹となんて録画映像すら一部しか残ってないだろ。
主演の加藤剛なんて死んでしまったし、将門を演じたばっかりに(;∀;)
444 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:47:13 ID:CacNKIJu0.net
>>395
風と雲と虹とは全話残っている最古の大河だぞ
全話DVDも発売されている
454 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:55:44 ID:iCE7NAk/0.net
信長のサインは麒麟という字を使ってたw
麒麟は信長w
472 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:04:47 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
503 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:31:57 ID:knigMe/d0.net
>>472
重要な書類や手紙には、花押も使ってたよ。
486 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:17:39 ID:ZYeU/Dxs0.net
494 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:24:50 ID:0ScWfg5c0.net
>>486
実際そんな話になる余地あるんじゃないの?
オリンピックと同じで「仮に6月〜」なんて
温いこと言ってる上での話だから そんな
来年のヤツだって正月からまともに放送でき
るか分かんないのに
498 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:27:16 ID:b+5jAeVi0.net
>>486
織田家家臣になった当たりで第一期終了でええやろ
534 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:59:06 ID:ojdO4fmI0.net
脚本の池端さんもう70代だし、次はないぞ・・・
コロナよ、なぜ今年だったのですか!
去年のいだてんならみんなハッピーだったのにw
586 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:33:06 ID:N38C/sjU0.net
>>534
今年がいだてんだったら脚本家がコロナに罹り撮影も脚本もストップで
途中終了だったのかな
590 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:37:48 ID:Z797sgp80.net
565 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:17:38 ID:+WfanZpt0.net
これからドラマの作り方変わるかも
とりあえず最終回だけは撮っておく
要所要所となるストーリーは押さえて撮影
困ったらナレーションで戦死させる
または報告という形で戦死させる
ナレーションで戦死する戦国武将が増えそうだな
595 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:45:59 ID:T6+NzKFU0.net
>>565
最終回を先に撮っておくと、不祥事があって途中降板した俳優がいたらアウト
601 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:53:25 ID:Z797sgp80.net
>>595
中国や台湾や香港のドラマなんかは最後まで撮影してから流すらしいけどね。
666 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 21:55:16 ID:gwuizkAf0.net
マチャアキ、駒は、創作人物なんだろ?
こいつら出てくると、残念な気持ちしか沸かない。
なんとか太夫は、美人だし色気あるから許すけど、
都合のいいように兵隊集めるなんて、視聴者舐めてる。
信長も、イメージ全然違う。歴史の書によると、信長は
身長180前後のやせ型、甲高い声、キレるタイプ。
なのに、大河では、身長160の小僧。
秀吉もイメージ違う。
あんなでかいわけないし・・・
小汚いのはいいけど、年とりすぎ。
信長より若いはず。
家康はいいとして、
光秀もおかしい。
年齢はもう少し上だし、頭ハゲてなきゃだめだろ。
道三は許す。
後は知らんけど、岡村の役も、創作じゃね?
670 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 22:04:52 ID:bMDuj83t0.net
>>666
最後に岡村隆史演じる果心居士が、
「麒麟は来なかった、しかし可愛い娘は必ず来る」って、
口先でペラペラと無職の亡者や餓鬼を鼓舞する。
692 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 23:15:24 ID:R2S6GwVH0.net
>>666
秀吉と信長キャスティング逆だよな
ガラスの仮面のふたりの王女とは違う
695 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 23:26:27 ID:OZ1yGe0w0.net
もう面倒くさいから
途中飛ばして本能寺の変→山崎の戦いで良いよ。
699 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 23:31:49 ID:5u8GSLcc0.net
701 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 23:36:40 ID:WVizh+h00.net
>>695
本能寺の変が最近の説を反映してるかが大事だわ
昔の大河では家康へのもてなしで腐った魚だして信長ぶちギレだったが今さらその展開はやらないだろうから
708 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 23:45:09 ID:GbKLvuio0.net
来年の分も撮影おいつかないのでは?
麒麟延長しよーよ
722 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 00:32:01 ID:rQmjVFZ80.net
>>708
同じ部屋とかで話すシーンばっかり
とかにしてな
732 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 01:45:55 ID:/yvFDLMk0.net
734 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 01:52:35 ID:/jc4/L4G0.net
一桁連発のいだてんは丸一年。誰だよそれ、の渋沢も丸一年予定。久々の本格大河麒麟、打ち切り濃厚
世の中理不尽だわww
744 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 03:39:06 ID:4Mg1mzfz0.net
>>734
渋沢はやったことの割に知名度が低すぎる。渋沢は知らなくても渋沢が作った物は日本国民全員が知っている。
みずほ銀行、王子製紙、東京証券取引所、JR、帝国ホテル、日本商工会議所、東急電鉄、KDDI、東京海上火災日動
東洋紡、太平洋セメント、京阪電鉄、一橋大学、東京ガス、理化学研究所、キリンビール、サッポロビール
今まで話題になってないことがおかしいんだわ。大河をきっかけに日本国民全員が勉強すべき。
747 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 04:07:46 ID:aHx6Ri5AO.net
>>744
まぁ財界人は江戸文禄の文化人みたいにもっと朝ドラでやるべきだが
渋沢の嫁を主役にしたら朝ドラで済むんだから大河に迷惑かけないでもらいたい
743 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 03:30:52 ID:F0NU8WbH0.net
歴史に興味出てきて戦国幕末以外が見たくなってくる
飛鳥から室町くらいまでやってくれないかね?
753 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 05:42:52 ID:JwCyW3C20.net
>>743
鎌倉末期〜南北朝は
BSで太平記やってる
麒麟と同じ脚本だけど
主演の真田広之が
戦と計略の才あるけどメンタル優しすぎる
武家の棟梁としては苦労が絶えないキャラをうまく演じてるアクション所作は見事
768 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 08:15:54 ID:F0NU8WbH0.net
>>753
初回から録画して観てるよ
明日は楠木正成登場だったか
「花の乱」 てのは内容的にどうなんだろ?
視聴率は悪かったみたいだが
770 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 08:40:54 ID:gyfhUXgl0.net
視聴率も微妙で評判も悪いので放送回数を減らして年内で終了
賢明な判断でしょう
794 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:40:01 ID:ECf1boPV0.net
>>1 >>770
大河ドラマ 第16回
2020年 麒麟 16.2%
2019年 いだてん 7.1%
2018年 西郷 11.1%
2017年 直虎 13.7%
麒麟は何年ぶりの大ヒット大河
しかも視聴率はBS、4KBSを除いた数字
798 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:42:50 .net
>>794
まぁコロナ自粛でステイホーム率が上がっているから単純に比較は出来ないよ
800 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:44:19 ID:z6yzpsDU0.net
渋沢なんかつまんないに決まってるんだから
そっちを削って来年3月までこっちやれよ
渋沢なんか半年で十分だろ
803 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:46:54 ID:sC3wZmAB0.net
804 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 10:46:55 ID:sC3wZmAB0.net
946 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 06:24:35 ID:U3+RZs0q0.net
お江なんてもっと作り話が酷かったからな
9歳のお江が本能寺の変後の家康との伊賀越え、明智光秀に対する説教、清洲会議の盗み聞き
子役を使わず上野樹里が6歳のお江を演じる
直虎もそうだったが歴史的資料がほとんどない人物を1年かけて描くって言うのか無理がある
949 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 06:45:25 ID:P2HFgU5I0.net
953 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 07:16:51 ID:x8lTu0oJ0.net
>>946
20歳の光秀が将軍義輝を感涙させて織田・今川の調停をする大河がありまして
20歳の光秀が三好長慶・松永久秀を暗殺から救う大河がありまして
20歳の光秀が信長・家康と顔見知りな大河がありまして
102 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:33:46 ID:64cFh3Wc0.net
次回、道三が息子に殺されるんでしょ?
じゃその次、本能寺の変で最終回でいいじゃんもう!
170 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:16:48 ID:Kub3eFCO0.net
>>102 賛成。最終回は視聴率爆上げ間違いない。
114 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:38:31.03 ID:5lg2fXml0.net
>>3
いだてんはなんだかんだで最後までしっかりやれて良かった
むしろ人物もエピソードも拾い切れずに尺が足らなかったぐらい
無駄に尺取った落語の所為でもあるけど
374 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:09:19 ID:2167WXAN0.net
>>114
当初の予定より戦中の話が長めになった分
戦後が短めになっちゃって
終盤は若干の駆け足感があったわな
122 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:43:04 ID:p8tJIluy0.net
駒パートいらない
秀吉だけならともかく、家康までもが戦災孤児の駒に見惚れる設定は酷い
家康:名はなんと申す?
駒:駒と申します。
家康:駒殿!(ハート)
キモい
135 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:52:06 ID:hnFmOzFd0.net
125 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:45:33 ID:NsdJ0oXM0.net
脚本演出主演ゴミだから終わりでええわ
真ゴジは良かったが光秀には見えん
149 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:02:32 ID:K8D9Jx0j0.net
>>125
長谷川好きなんだけどやっぱ見た目的に大河主演の器じゃないなとは思う
光秀の影が薄いと言われがちなのは脚本ばかりの責任でもなさそう
131 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:49:52 ID:JTkmjp9f0.net
光秀「敵は本能寺にあり!」
家臣団「おーっ!」
これで終われば最後節約できるし、かっこよく終われていいよね
139 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:53:49 ID:PLRGAGFNO.net
>>131
俺たちの戦いが始まる…!!!
麒麟がくる!!!
とかってナレーションでエンドロール
134 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:51:49 ID:GFQVbFaj0.net
渋沢なんてやめといた方がいい
大河で明治以降は鬼門だろう
それより間宮林蔵とかどうよ
探検パートは間宮とアイヌ一人とかだから
三密にもならずにコロナ予防的にも安全にロケできる
142 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:55:06 ID:knigMe/d0.net
>>134
正直、渋沢の場合、大河で1年ダラダラやるよりも、別枠で20話ぐらいでまとめた方が名作になると思う。
138 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 13:53:21 ID:n4z448uD0.net
残りストーリーは歴史ヒストリアでみてくれ
でいいじゃん
ついでに全投票しないかな
おれ太原雪斎にいれる
147 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:00:50 ID:BCto0AA30.net
>>138
雪斎は、堺正章との対談で引っ張っておいて、いきなりナレ死だからね
何だったんだろうあれは
152 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:04:42 ID:7/8VGUSx0.net
川口春奈は時代劇初めてと言っていたが着物が似合いすぎ
159 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:10:58 ID:UyZBqO3l0.net
163 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:13:36 ID:hnFmOzFd0.net
NHKの本音としては、戦国物より、いだてんや渋沢栄一のような政権に忖度した国威発揚ドラマに力を入れたいんだろうな…
181 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:21:49 ID:GbAZFhmE0.net
>>163
後は会長(出身企業)礼賛プロパガンダなw
因みに現NHK会長は渋沢栄一が創業者の一人のみずほフィナンシャルグループ出身
165 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:15:03 ID:UyZBqO3l0.net
717 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 00:07:55 ID:CkTqSsxG0.net
166 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:16:17 ID:KgSfu1ur0.net
撮影が再開したとしてもコロナを警戒した撮影しか出来ないし、違和感ある演出とかになるのかね。
あーあ残念すぎる
177 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:20:03 ID:hnFmOzFd0.net
>>166
三密を避けるために、大勢エキストラを使うような合戦シーンが無くなって、不自然に距離を空けた会話が中心になるだろうな…
169 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:16:46 ID:cs3jQfg20.net
>NHK広報局は「現時点で発表できることは何もございません」としている。
妄想じゃん
184 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:24:51 ID:U74RGmVR0.net
>>169
NHKは越年放送をしたくて事務所に打診してるけど
事務所がいOKしないんじゃね?
事務所からしたら、金にならない大河より金になる他の仕事させたいだろうし
171 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:17:22 ID:DIAMjCXO0.net
いだてん
1月〜6月
233.70%
通算
381.40%
麒麟がくる
1月〜4月
228.70%
通算
244.9%+5回
いだてんの勝ちか
178 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:20:32 ID:CnpqvMNp0.net
>>171
>麒麟がくる
>1月〜4月
ここに突っ込んでほしいのね。
190 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:32:37 ID:sJ4WPHLU0.net
206 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 14:53:35 ID:knigMe/d0.net
224 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:07:52 ID:eWG87fhc0.net
238 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:16:19 ID:PFEdJ0rW0.net
>>224
だから、民放は3ヶ月1クールなんだろw
236 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:14:38 ID:nknWqkkd0.net
実は本能寺以降も面白いので、そこを丁寧に描いて欲しい。
細川に援軍を求める画策して失敗し焦る光秀
秀吉の中国大返しはいかにして行ったのか
など
239 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:16:53 ID:iPIGFw2o0.net
>>236
というか、その本能寺以降の11日が光秀の華であり頂点であり転落でもあるから、ここを描かずして何をするのかと。
245 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:24:03.80 ID:oWTKAFRk0.net
放送枠の問題じゃなく役者の拘束期間内に撮影が終われないって話だから
渋沢延ばしてどうにかなる問題じゃないっつの
275 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:44:24 ID:IeWUVcKw0.net
>>245
それだよなあ
話数を減らすしか方法ないが美濃時代を長くやりすぎたな
269 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:41:54 ID:JzY4A+Bb0.net
277 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:45:26.25 ID:cs3jQfg20.net
>>269
草になるフラグ立てまくってるけど
いなくなっても問題ないし大丈夫だろ
272 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:42:44 ID:YhzBCC630.net
290 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:55:10 ID:TfiI709F0.net
>>272
ハセヒロに興味持てないから、光秀はオリキャラと共に出番削っていいや
その分信長を見せてくれ
286 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:53:17 ID:IbB4qzm80.net
今川愛之助は強いよ。
今年は大河史上初の桶狭間で信長を返り討ち。
306 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:04:57.81 ID:kBKrNj0t0.net
>>286
駿河サイドにオリキャラ行かせたくせに今川の出番なかった上雪斎ナレ死
家康と顔見知りにするためだけだったようで扱いひでぇわ
288 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 15:54:26 ID:Vk7W7FSg0.net
どうせほとんど作り話なんだから端折る部分いくらでもあるだろ
300 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:02:02 ID:hDbnJ18t0.net
>>288
大河はそういう部分も楽しむもんだぞ
歴史ドラマじゃなくて歴史をベースにした娯楽ドラマだからな
331 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:19:19 ID:HSChOjDc0.net
よかったんじゃない
創作パートに頼らないと1年間できなかったんだろ、駒の恋愛パートとか誰が見るんだよあれw
そからへんがっつり削れば丁度よく収まりそう
335 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 16:32:34 ID:PkK7Cgq20.net
>>331
今の脚本と演出だと一番削られるのは明智光秀パートだけどな
390 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:22:14 ID:PkK7Cgq20.net
土日のNHKも道三祭りみたいな感じだし
道三退場で打ち切りなんだろ
本木が主演でしたってオチ
409 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:33:40.62 ID:43i3nBcj0.net
394 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:24:43.01 ID:D/N2w1rE0.net
道三死んだら
後は弾正だけかな魅力的なのは
信長はお子様みたいだし
402 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:27:33.47 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
>>394
「大うつけ」を文字通りに捉えたら、ああいう信長像になるんだろう。
398 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:25:58.59 ID:bKS+aH2H0.net
>>8
この国でNHKのトップや外部役員に任命されるような経歴で、渋沢栄一に関する企業と全く接点が無い人間なんて探す方が難しいと思うが
447 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:49:57 ID:PFEdJ0rW0.net
>>398
だから渋沢栄一が大河の題材になったんだろw
410 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:34:19.35 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
まあ佐々木秀吉に魅力がないから、あんまり続きを観たいとも思わんのよね。
526 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:51:58 ID:Z797sgp80.net
419 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:37:13.49 ID:MUvQWc29O.net
427 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:39:34 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
>>419
1940、2020と二回ポシャった東京五輪もなかなか…
424 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:39:09 ID:XqmBNdzS0.net
433 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:41:54.56 ID:K8D9Jx0j0.net
>>424
めっちゃわかる
可愛い可愛くないとかの次元通し越して気持ち悪い
そもそも門脇はマイナー脱ぎ女優でしかないのになんで大河の一番手ヒロインに起用したのか…
426 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:39:27 ID:T6+NzKFU0.net
467 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:01:06 ID:b688+CRJ0.net
440 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 17:45:02 ID:K8D9Jx0j0.net
本木は若々しくて華があるけど年齢なりの貫禄が全然ないのが物足りない
470 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:03:40 ID:MuFDgjjn0.net
>>440
特攻を扱った番組で、寝る前に特攻死させた部下の名前を毎夜唱えている爺さんが
「さいきん全員の名前を思い出せなくなったんですよ」と言ってたエピソードから
道三の耄碌ネタを持ってきたんだろうが、
あのモックン道三は若々しすぎるんだよねw
479 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 18:12:16 ID:mD7pzA8v0.net
>>3
ほんとこれ
来年の前半まで光秀やって
来年後半だけ渋沢だろ
615 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 20:10:58 ID:Yj8+XBgS0.net
>>479
25年くらい前にそういうのあったよな
2年で3個の短め大河
584 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:32:53 ID:p5DMotBV0.net
>>1
戦国とか合戦とか武将とか大名とかの大河がそもそもオワコン
706 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 23:44:30 ID:/Eej3gv70.net
>>584
で、東南アジアに常に悪逆な日本と中国に虐げられる韓国の架空の歴史時代劇ばかりが広まり、反日感情が高まる、と
597 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:48:28 ID:Li4zpi5u0.net
600 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 19:53:16 ID:Rc3henXg0.net
621 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 20:21:23 ID:pl8H/h+L0.net
691 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 23:08:55.33 ID:Yj8+XBgS0.net
644 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 21:19:29 ID:Q7ROQ1RK0.net
来年は明智光秀と渋沢栄一の時空を越えた異能力バトルで良くね?
647 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 21:25:09 ID:Rc3henXg0.net
>>644
平野に頼んでドリフターズに渋沢出させて
そのままNHKで二期放送すればよし
659 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 21:39:31 ID:yuihMfs60.net
来年は渋沢があるからダメ
跨ぐなら別の枠だな
土曜夜でいいし深夜でもいい
675 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 22:24:19 ID:0Cv1uVUl0.net
>>659
韋駄天もそうだけど、イベントに絡めるのは良くないね
スケジュール的にもそうだし、うるさい船頭が増えることにも繋がる
673 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 22:22:30 ID:+WfanZpt0.net
過去の大河のシーンをくりぬいて貼り付けくりぬいて貼り付けでごまかせんかね(適当)
信長がシーンごとに代わるけど(笑)
682 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 22:34:45 ID:niLo5SoM0.net
679 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 22:29:02 ID:gKe2EJQA0.net
来年はオリンピックだから渋沢は延期にして
イダテンリターンズにしましょう
684 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 22:39:01.13 ID:I7Vg5ZMV0.net
>>679
めでたい奴だな
オリンピックなんてできないよ
728 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 01:19:01 ID:u84v/zUm0.net
>>3
ふざけんな
真の歴史好きは近代史の方が興味あるから渋沢潰すとかあり得ない
731 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 01:45:32 ID:/yvFDLMk0.net
>>728
なつぞらの時みたく時代考証無視したヘアスタイルで来られそうで嫌だ
736 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 01:59:33 ID:+iloNDen0.net
駒ってかろうじて1話はいた意味あったかもしれないがあとは邪魔でしかない
秀吉も家康もいちいち駒と会わせずに普通に出てくればいいんだよ
742 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 03:12:57 ID:JPaF9g3jO.net
>>736
駒が本当に邪魔!しかも出会う男達(後の英雄)がほぼ一目惚れで落ちるほどのいい女設定が謎過ぎだわ。
秀吉も若き家康も駒にウットリって呆れるよ。菊丸だって一応凄腕の忍び設定なのに、手を握られたぐらいで秘密の抜け道をあっさり教えてしまうとかないわー。
749 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 04:17:59 ID:DcSvNGe90.net
887 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 18:54:44.29 ID:3KtQBEN30.net
>>749
ブルーベリーアイの創業者(の妻)を主人公に朝ドラを撮ればいい
823 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 11:24:02 ID:WB/CwdpD0.net
なんで他の大河の話してんの?
麒麟がいらねってことでしょ
842 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 12:03:13 ID:OoJKKMKP0.net
>>823
来年の大河も確実に間に合わないから、普通に今年度末まで放送すれば問題がない。
満足に所作指導も出来ていない状況で、ただでさえ不評になりがちな近現代がテーマの大河は『麒麟がくる』より観て貰えないよ。
854 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 12:50:11.99 ID:VgEzFKin0.net
岡村は服部半蔵とおもいきや、それは考えすぎで本当に農民で
戦乱に巻き込まれて死にました(ナレ死)ってことでいいんじゃね
859 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 13:00:34.09 ID:OoJKKMKP0.net
>>854
初代にしても二代目にしても年齢が釣り合いそうにないから、岡村は半蔵配下の忍びという設定ではないかと。
873 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 14:00:10.09 ID:zXHPAZ82O.net
一話一億かかるらしいが浮いた受信料はどこに行くんだ
896 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 20:56:24 ID:hgaa5cuD0.net
892 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 20:11:06.93 ID:oNemwJ890.net
937 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 03:27:04 ID:yInX+Ei30.net
906 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 23:00:45 ID:hgaa5cuD0.net
933 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 02:43:08 ID:xLameZcM0.net
924 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 02:09:22 ID:DahZvIla0.net
928 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 02:18:44 ID:pAO2QkFb0.net
925 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 02:11:00 ID:UeNXUyEv0.net
いだてんみたいなゴミは最後までやって麒麟がくるは端折って終了かよ
せっかく久しぶりに本格的な大河だったのに勘弁してくれよ
渋沢なんかどうでもいいから年度末までやってくれよ
940 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 04:39:41 ID:2mGSwvCl0.net
>>925
主役が使いっ走りのドラマの
どこが本格的なんだよw
渋沢の方が知っておくべき人物だろ
2 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/08(金) 12:44:45 ID:HmflQyw40.net
899 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 21:44:35 ID:yQS+lnDG0.net
5/17 18話 光秀たちは高政の追手から逃れて美濃を後にする。帰蝶の意を受けた伊呂波太夫に導かれて一行は越前へ。太夫は領主 朝倉義景に光秀たちの保護を依頼。義景は渋々ながら了承する。
908 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/09(土) 23:06:41 ID:YJPoZscu0.net
明智光秀の物語じゃなくて
歴史の脇役特集がいいな
斎藤義龍すげー
ガラシャたんかわいい
黒田官兵衛かっこいい
竹中半兵衛マジ軍師
清水宗治義理堅すぎるんごー
立花?千代と立花宗茂のロマンス
歌舞伎みたいにいいとこ取りで良かった
927 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 02:15:48 ID:VPYaSpoc0.net
>>925
見てない馬鹿がこういうこと言ってんのかね
943 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 06:01:59 ID:9kroVCNQ0.net
950 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 06:57:37 ID:5Cqk4u/N0.net
ユースケの朝倉義景とか滝藤の足利将軍とかはハマり役っぽい予感がするだけに端折られるの必至なのは残念
954 :
名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/05/10(日) 07:30:28 ID:gLV4BKDe0.net
渋沢栄一は明治維新から現代社会が出来ていく様が見られて多分面白くなりそうだけど麒麟が来る短縮は残念
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