【テレビ】辛坊治郎氏、大ヒットの「鬼滅の刃」を絶賛「見終わった後にストレスがたまらない。正義は勝つって…ここでしょう」 [爆笑ゴリラ★]

1 :爆笑ゴリラ ★:2020/10/31(土) 11:04:36.03 ID:CAP_USER9.net
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辛坊治郎氏、大ヒットの「鬼滅の刃」を絶賛「見終わった後にストレスがたまらない。正義は勝つって…ここでしょう」
辛坊治郎氏
 31日放送の日本テレビ系「ウェークアップ!ぷらす」(土曜・前8時)で、16日から全国公開中のアニメ映画「劇場版『鬼滅の刃』無限列車編」(外崎春雄監督)の空前の大ヒットを特集した。

 興行収入が25日までに107億円に達し、公開から10日での100億円突破は、史上最速となった。社会現象とも言える人気の「鬼滅の刃」を辛坊治郎キャスターは「不覚にも私もはまってしまいまして」と明かした。

 作品について「ある意味、水戸黄門なんです。勧善懲悪で必ず最後こうなるっていうのがわかる。安心して見てられる。見終わった後にストレスがたまらない。正義は勝つって…ここでしょう」と絶賛した。

https://amd-pctr.c.yimg.jp/r/iwiz-amd/20201031-10310085-sph-000-3-view.jpg?w=502&h=640&q=90&exp=10800&pri=l

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/2dbc64baf9dba43749ac8938b2108ad5e7ac8161

8 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:08:04.08 ID:E16E2lKP0.net

半沢でも誰かがそんなこと言ったね
水戸黄門って凄いんだな

12 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:09:46.07 ID:gSwH0Vaa0.net

>>8
水戸黄門見て欲しい
めちゃくちゃ面白いよ
決め台詞も全部覚えてる

19 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:12:10.91 ID:5VEX1PSL0.net

>>12
まぁ待ちなさい
もう少し様子を見るのじゃ

21 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:13:17.39 ID:oENtwnoN0.net

>>12
何だよ水戸黄門の決め台詞って
この紋所が目に入らぬかってか?

95 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:41:54.53 ID:j6vGo4ja0.net

>>21
「ほれ、この菊の御門に入れてみるのじゃ」

683 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 22:25:23.29 ID:cEm7WnSU0.net

>>21
それは助さんのセリフだな。
水戸黄門の決め台詞は
「越後の縮緬問屋、光右衛門と申します」
「懲らしめておやりなさい」
「もうそろそろいいでしょう」

102 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:44:57.96 ID:MRb/bxsH0.net

>>12
見て肛門

210 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:21:51.92 ID:qYKb9Ta60.net

>>102
汚い穴だなぁ

406 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:57:23.47 ID:rom1ALCl0.net

>>12
水戸黄門って安倍さんがモデルなんだよな
悪夢のミンス政権時代、安倍さんは配下の麻生さんと二階さんをお供に
忍者の経験がある菅さんと杉田水脈さんを警護に伴って
全国を回り悪夢のミンス政権の悪政をただしてきた
それが水戸黄門の原作のテーマなんだ

448 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:15:12.49 ID:ypDzq19F0.net

>>406
水戸黄門なんて70年代頃からあるんじゃないのか
いつの間にそんな最近になったんだよ

657 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 06:54:30.74 ID:r0o8hcAm0.net

>>12
水戸黄門が日本人をダメにしたんだけどね

悪に歯向かうとさらに殴られる農民や町人、強姦される人妻や美少女。抵抗すれば殴られたり殺されたり。

助けてくれるのは悪より強い最高権力様!

悪に脅かされても誰かがたすけてくれる(筈)

対してアメリカでは…
悪に歯向かうと殴られ奪われ殺されて権力も悪に忖度してる。
ならば、自分で武装して死ぬ気で抵抗してやる!おっと仲間も増えたぞ?よーし、反撃の時間だ!まとめて爆弾と機関銃でぶっ飛ばせ!

戦後教育でここまで腑抜けになった日本人

26 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:14:00.54 ID:aJs0/JAm0.net

>>8
この陰嚢が目に入らんか!

146 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:59:48.82 ID:wxE5n3ZZ0.net

>>26
それは私のおいなりさんだ。

309 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:28:56.91 ID:ksM4yeoY0.net

>>8
実際は黄門様のほうが悪党なんだけれどね。

569 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 22:45:21.97 ID:iGLHI4Nf0.net

>>309
既得権益の権化やね

443 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:10:17.31 ID:ypDzq19F0.net

>>8
水戸黄門とは違うけどな

幕府に文を送るだけで様々解決に出来る力を持ち忍びに凄腕のお付きの者がいて傷一つ負わない黄門様
政府非公認組織で依頼受けて人知れず敵を始末しに行く度に骨を折られたり血だらけになる鬼滅
引退したとはいえ幕府の要人が主人公と、刀持ってるだけで警察呼ばれる組織の下っ端

密かに動かないといけない点は一致しても立場違いすぎるし
鬼滅は人目に触れない必殺仕事人に近い気がする

648 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 22:28:33.78 ID:Fsy5Ls0m0.net

>>8
水戸黄門おもしろいぜ
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10095

39 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:17:03.34 ID:3rUArl+j0.net

最近の邦画なんて、暗いテーマばかりで見終わったあとも
モヤモヤする内容ばかりだからなぁ・・・。
監督が、そっち系の輩ばかりなんだろうけどw
問題作wとかの見出しで、本当に観客に問題を投げっ放しで
終わるから、興行収入は低迷するんだよ。あかんやつwww

43 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:18:18.56 ID:4A1h/kLo0.net

>>39
二千円近くも出してせっかくの休みの2時間も使って悶々としたくねえよな

131 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:54:49.59 ID:3bhxhjcL0.net

>>39
漫画だって異星人やら呪いやらで人がゴミのように死んでいくし、スッキリしない結末の作品が増えた

168 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:08:30.66 ID:L0kvbttF0.net

>>39
ああいうのはドキュメンタリーで十分
映画化して銭儲けしてる方がゲスい

173 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:09:40.47 ID:S96ZBKXa0.net

>>39
映画は娯楽という事を忘れてるよね
変に意識高いのを目指して暗いのばかり

176 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 12:10:33.74 ID:o0176XLh0.net

>>173
映画は総合芸術やで(^。^)y-.。o○

339 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:52:04.84 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>173
前にジュラシックパーク見たとき
CG映像は凄いけどこれ全然ドラマがねーじゃん
って思ったけど
あれは映画ジュラシックパークっていうアトラクションなんだよ
と言われて納得した。
映画ってそもそもそういうもんなんだよな

287 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:11:30.21 ID:CDC4jEN30.net

>>39
娯楽映画を作らせたらトンカツDJアゲ太郎だしな

343 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:59:03.35 ID:1yvT/kT90.net

>>39
ほんそれ
なんか現代社会の闇に深く切り込んだみたいなことをドヤ顔で語るけどつまんねーんだよな

で、そういう奴らは王道のストーリー見る観客をバカにしてる
あんな娯楽作見て喜ぶとかレベル低いみたいなこと言ってるけど、映画館なんて所詮、娯楽だろっていうね

ああいう意識高い系の映画製作者が邦画ダメにしてるよな

523 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:50:38.00 ID:nc9DPC8O0.net

>>343
マスコミが現代社会の闇っつー

577 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:16:51.98 ID:s+fKUMzF0.net

>>39
三島由紀夫が映画監督らと海外に行った時、毎晩のように『キングコング』やターザンみたいな映画を観るので周りは呆れたらしい。
三島曰く「映画にも小難しい理屈が要求される時代になったのか」
そのくせ『憂国』なんて映画撮ってるけど

10 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:08:30.55 ID:UBiuz9br0.net

確かに複雑な映画が多すぎるな。

16 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:10:55.23 ID:wgw2mkS60.net

>>10
小難しいのもいいけどシンプルなのもイイよね
若い世代には単純すぎてバカみたいに映るのかもしれないけど

20 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:13:11.58 ID:WejZ/fDv0.net

>>16
小難しいの好きな世代ってエヴァ世代のイメージ

48 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:19:50.16 ID:wgw2mkS60.net

>>20
エヴァ世代ってどれくらいなんだろう…40代とかそこらあたり?

159 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:05:02.01 ID:S96ZBKXa0.net

>>16
若い時ほど難解なのを求めたがる
年を取れば映画なんかに余計な頭を使いたくなくなる

87 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:36:21.98 ID:UH3UEqbG0.net

>>10
マトリックスは全く理解出来んかった

154 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:01:35.45 ID:gbpzvVR/0.net

>>10
見終わった後にモヤモヤした気持ちが残る映画って多いもんね

187 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:13:49.46 ID:xrpFXKcx0.net

>>10
炭治郎うるさい
しゃべりすぎwww
単純な話なのは分かるが

344 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:59:20.09 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>187
でも19話の独白は良かったよ。
もうすぐ力尽きるだろう とか
妹を守るために絶対ここで相手を倒す
例え相討ちになっても
とかはセリフで言ってもらわんと分からんし

456 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:28:54.61 ID:dJRRdM510.net

>>10
監督のオナニーみたいな映画多いもんな

503 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:27:02.10 ID:WOa4DCLN0.net

アニメと映画は別物なの?
今5話に入った

507 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:31:02.82 ID:oEYPx4UX0.net

>>503
繋がってるからアニメ見終わった後の方が良い

509 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:31:45.90 ID:9Pp9OfAW0.net

>>503
アニメ26話の続きが映画
26話のラストが映画のオープニング

510 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:32:03.24 ID:sYTSs1bL0.net

>>503
進んでるな
これから4話

521 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:48:19.86 ID:PLFMa3t70.net

>>503
映画の無限列車編はアニメの一期へと続く過去編
映画を見てないと、アニメでなぜ突然家族が鬼に襲撃されたのか意味不明になる

526 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:57:14.10 ID:zjesh9d30.net

>>521
なに出鱈目言ってんだ

541 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:54:30.40 ID:ypDzq19F0.net

>>503
26話の続きがそのまま映画化されている
原作に従って映画化

因みに本日公式発表で1000万人動員発表が出た模様

559 名前:名無シネマさん(福島県)(ワッチョイ d634-2wUH [153.224.59.232]) [sage] :2020/10/31(土) 19:41:31.04 ID:N5+HCzrL0
>>532ありがとう
調べたら縄が39日だな、千尋分からなくて困ってた、助かる

1000万人到達日数
1位鬼滅の刃 15日 ←NEW!
2位千と千尋 32日
3位君の名は 39日

300 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:21:21.58 ID:LTYYkQ830.net

なんか「全集中!」みたいなセリフがあるん?
50越えた上司が朝礼で言ってて糞寒いんだが

322 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 13:39:37.26 ID:o0176XLh0.net

>>300
パワーワードが
全集中の呼吸や(^。^)y-.。o○

425 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:33:03.63 ID:IeGRWFl00.net

>>300
寒いなそのおっさんw

463 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:36:25.64 ID:Mi1SE6j70.net

>>300
壱の型、あうんの呼吸って言ってやれよ

470 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 17:08:33.02 ID:Q9RCH+li0.net

>>300
流行ワードをすぐ使いたがるオッサンいてるよねー

472 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 17:27:43.09 ID:4aRBIJPo0.net

>>300
「頭無惨かよ」って言ってやれ

266 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:51:21.25 ID:8wjwW2DQO.net

鬼滅の映画が勧善懲悪?
正義は勝つ?
辛坊さんほんとに映画見た?
途中までは勝つけど最後は正義ぼろ負けで終わるんだよ
主人公チームの主力が死ぬ惨敗なんだよ
辛坊さん映画見てないでしょ

273 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:57:52.26 ID:7DxLkXRe0.net

>>266
まあ映画見たとは言ってないしね。
テレビアニメ見ただけならああいう感想かも。
芸能人はとりあえず話題にキャッチアップするためにアマプラ見てそう。

278 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:03:00.95 ID:8wjwW2DQO.net

>>273
テレビアニメの方も勧善懲悪かなぁ
鬼の哀れな事情が描かれたりもしてそこまで「やった!勝った!」とスッキリするような内容ではないと思うけどなぁ

283 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:07:52.87 ID:Y6oQJXiF0.net

>>266
辛坊はこのコメントの後に
「単なる勧善懲悪じゃない。鬼側にも同情してしまう」って補足してるで

286 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 13:10:39.75 ID:o0176XLh0.net

>>283
ガミラスにも地球を攻める理由が
ジオンにも戦争をする理由が
使徒にも人間を襲う理由が

あるんやで(^。^)y-.。o○

338 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:51:34.90 ID:Z6o+K9Qh0.net

そもそも本編の一部を映画化するのは、ワンピースからはじまったんだっけ?

360 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:16:38.24 ID:SGPif7o20.net

>>338
ガンダムじゃねーの?

366 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:28:30.42 ID:Z6o+K9Qh0.net

>>360
あれは全編をまとめたんじゃないの?

367 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:29:55.29 ID:Im8W2Dcz0.net

>>338
ワンピースの映画ってオリジナル脚本じゃないの?

374 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:38:04.55 ID:Z6o+K9Qh0.net

>>367
アラバスタ編とかあったで
オリジナルストーリーもあるけど

368 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:32:11.88 ID:cJvZmCjU0.net

>>365
ウルトラマン3分間の理由は金のかかる
特撮コスト削減のためだろ

炭治郎が田舎に引っ込むのは人間に戻った妹と
仲良く暮らすのが最終目標だからだよ

373 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:37:46.75 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>368
単に現実な事情によるものなのに
「思想」とか言ってるアホがいるねw

380 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 14:45:27.47 ID:o0176XLh0.net

>>373
お前の最終学歴では無理あらへん
(^。^)y-.。o○
>>368はよう躾けられた奴隷そのものの考えや

お前は
銀行が1円でも合わんと残業代も払わずに合うまでタダ働きさせるのが素晴らしいとでも思ってる人間やろ

1円など合わんでも損金として処理した方が、それを探すための残業代よりお得と考えるのが
近代思想やで

398 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:53:51.09 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>380
言い訳に必死だなw
カッコわる〜w

180 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:11:20.43 ID:/CUYTD3U0.net

正義が勝つってのは映画単体じゃなくて鬼滅全体の話の作りを言ってるんでしょうよ
なんで映画は勝ってない!とか短絡的な話になるのか…

208 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:21:41.93 ID:09LpcZdY0.net

>>180
映画見終わっての感想だろ

272 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:56:07.72 ID:uOoxjAtp0.net

>>180
オタクは細かい

276 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:00:36.39 ID:Z6o+K9Qh0.net

>>272
オタクじゃないけれど毒と浅はかさ感じた
そりゃ、ソウナンするわ

54 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:22:06.89 ID:zC21FDQT0.net

柱ほぼ全滅で生き残っても障がい者

84 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:34:58.52 ID:rQrjt4jZ0.net

>>54
え?そうなの、、、悲し過ぎるじゃん
家族も殺されてるみたいだし、救いがないじゃんか

200 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:17:12.34 ID:/2+CQU0/0.net

>>84
無惨倒して鬼がいない世界を作ることこそが救い

370 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:34:02.06 ID:6B6W2FcV0.net

>>54
しかも20半ばで寿命迎えるしな。

611 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 05:14:09.01 ID:n2quLEYk0.net

>>606
いや映画で続き見たかったらそれまで待て
ってことでストレスだけど
この場合、単に続きが見たかったら原作読めばいいんだから
そういう意味でストレスはないよ。
その結果としての今の単行本の売れ行きなんだろうし

614 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 07:16:19.79 ID:W1+5MOwa0.net

>>611
先が知りたいというストレスでコミックを買わせるという意味な

631 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 11:16:21.12 ID:qyJmNPL90.net

>>614
あぁ、そういう意味か。
納得

650 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 05:39:31.61 ID:y2bya8uJ0.net

>>614
あぁ、そういう意味か。
納得

79 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:32:58.42 ID:qGOFcqtm0.net

お前ら炭治郎の台詞聞いてないのかよ
勝ったのは煉獄さんだよ

88 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:36:35.52 ID:1OEa0x4K0.net

>>79
太陽「勝ったの俺だし」

89 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:39:08.75 ID:hi/aH8Bg0.net

>>79
そうやってそこで絶叫しなければいけない炭治郎の心の叫びは観客の心にきた。
煉獄さんは死んじゃってるんだからね。
観客にはそれは伝わってる。
辛坊はわかってない。

170 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 12:09:03.31 ID:o0176XLh0.net

>>89
大した絡みもあらへん煉獄に
なーにをムキになってねん(^。^)y-.。o○

話しが浅いから全てこんな感じ

142 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:58:22.48 ID:f5JHWx/s0.net

鬼滅の作品として凄いところをあえてあげるなら主人公たちがラスボスより圧倒的に弱いままでラスボスを毒で散々弱らせて主力が束になって
挙句総力戦の末日光でなんとか倒したってところ
過去にはそのラスボスすら圧倒する天才がいたけどそいつはガチで圧倒的な天才だっただけで主人公たちは最後までそいつの足元にも及ばなかったっていうのは
この手の漫画では過去類を見ない

157 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:02:12.64 ID:WGoCm63e0.net

>>142
まぁでもそんなん多くね? ドラゴンボール元気玉や封神演義やダイの大冒険だってそうでしょ

161 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:05:45.25 ID:qJw51AaJ0.net

>>142
都合のいい毒四種類投入!

195 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:15:24.93 ID:9XLlRQVI0.net

原作未読、今更テレビ版をアマプラで見始めて
それなりに面白いと思ってたけど金髪と猪が登場してきた所で
ギャグなんだろうがこいつらうるさすぎてセリフが多くて間延びして急に見るモチベ下がってる

345 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:01:22.74 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>195
ところがキャラクターの人気投票したら
その金髪が一位になったんだよなw

428 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:38:13.89 ID:IeGRWFl00.net

>>345
映画だと存在薄かったな善逸w
伊之助は大活躍

202 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:18:18.76 ID:Q9RCH+li0.net

うあ?
映画見てないが煉獄死ぬやろ?
正義はまだ勝たないのではないのか

206 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:20:40.24 ID:A5P6lP0A0.net

>>202
そこも鬼滅の独特な所で勝ち負けの物差しが生死じゃない

219 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:23:58.06 ID:Q9RCH+li0.net

>>206
いや、それでは辛抱が言うような単純な勧善懲悪とは言えないのでは

246 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:38:24.57 ID:mslE/mOQ0.net

>>219
それ言っちゃうのはバレもいいとこだし無難にまとめた表現にしただけだろ
エンムには勝つし

221 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:24:27.18 ID:kDV3dugR0.net

日本の場合は正義ではなくて、たまたま金とコネのある家に生まれただけの
世襲のアホボン共がいつも勝つからねぇ
法律もコイツラが作っているから、一般庶民にはどうすることもできない
ストレスが溜まりまくり

226 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:25:36.02 ID:4Uw/JQ2w0.net

>>221
漫画でも大切なのは生まれ(血筋)だぞ?

231 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:28:11.66 ID:YcmvuotD0.net

>>226
なかなか一般人が突然強くなってラスボスまでぶっ倒しましたでは説得力無いからな

大抵は普通の高校生(生まれは人外)だし

238 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:31:45.32 ID:kyXWZ2Mh0.net

しょうもな
良い大人がアニメなんて語るなよ
女子供の見るものだアニメなんて
男ならもっと硬派な映画を見ろ作れ

243 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:37:22.16 ID:gxDkW9Il0.net

>>238
そんなもん江戸時代から無い。

258 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:44:19.47 ID:jzcqfFy30.net

>>238
はげどう。もしくは馬鹿女、馬鹿ガキが理解出来ない難解な映画

354 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:07:53.01 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>214
以前から不満なんだけど
大抵の場合、主人公が最後 大成功して大金持ち
ってパターンじゃないよね。
大抵、成功しても主人公は成功、大金を得られない。
美学なんか知らんけど毎回モヤモヤする

365 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 14:28:11.03 ID:o0176XLh0.net

>>354
身分をわきまえろという思想
儒教思想からやな(^。^)y-.。o○

ウルトラマンは無敵やなく3分しか戦えんとかな

37 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:16:41.65 ID:djaVyzIa0.net

正義とか勧善懲悪の話とかそんなんじゃないんだよ
いかにもアートなぞ理解出来なさそうなオッサンが無理して
流行りもん評価してんじゃねーよ

129 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:53:49.35 ID:6yXTfRQ70.net

>>37
アート(笑)

163 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:06:59.06 ID:S96ZBKXa0.net

>>37
アート?
子ども向けのアニメやん

389 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:51:11.16 ID:MgTRcww80.net

映画だと煉獄死なないの?

394 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 14:52:34.65 ID:o0176XLh0.net

>>389
ヒソカに負けて死ぬで(^。^)y-.。o○

397 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:53:31.23 ID:dRoZwsAH0.net

>>389
俺はアニメしか観てない
それで映画観てとてもこのセリフが出るとは思えん

413 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:08:10.38 ID:AjvSEv7D0.net

歳取ってからアニメ見ると感性が追いつかなくて銀河鉄道999と風魔の小次郎と日本昔ばなしと火垂るの墓とをごちゃまぜにしたような話だなと思ってしまうわ

618 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 08:25:49.87 ID:XC7ySCKD0.net

>>413
じじいならゲスの「ロマンスがありあまる」を聞いてCCBを思い出してしまうよな

636 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 13:09:30.61 ID:8ZN1Q64M0.net

>>413
どう見てもネズコがメーテルでタンジロウがテツロウだよなぁ

438 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:59:34.14 ID:DJRoP72d0.net

いや、煉獄さん負けて死んでんねんでんで!

442 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:07:37.34 ID:W4992Vho0.net

>>438
煉獄さんは誰一人死なせんかったから勝ったんや!(顔真っ赤)

457 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:32:04.84 ID:1nOZ9lyP0.net

>>442
顔真っ赤やで

504 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:28:25.28 ID:zejKdHw80.net

でも火の柱死んじゃったやん
あれ結構ショックやったで?
柱で一番の正義のヒーローっぽいキャラなのに

511 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:32:06.60 ID:9Pp9OfAW0.net

>>504
戦隊レッドが死んだくらいのショック

562 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 21:23:33.97 ID:cJvZmCjU0.net

>>504
ネタバレになるけど上弦の上位になると
柱3人がかりでどうにか倒せるかどうかのレベル
炎柱1人で朝が来るまで盾をやりきった時点で
すごいことなのよ

514 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:38:14.88 ID:n1z0j4nV0.net

>>483
俺もそうだったんだけど、柱という強者が出てくるあたりで一気に面白くなってくる(序盤は鬼との本当の戦いに入ってない、鬼見学ぐらい)

その後アニメの第一期を全部見終わった後、一話から見直すと面白さが段違いになって紅蓮華口ずさみながら気づいたら映画館にいるよ

602 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 01:53:39.41 ID:n2quLEYk0.net

>>514
TVシリーズで必死になって戦ってきた相手が
実は雑魚だったのはすごいなw
後半からは連携して戦わないと絶対勝てない敵がわんさか出てくる。
だからドラゴンボールとかワンピースとかとは違って絶望感が凄い

663 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 07:52:51.13 ID:+8QaZXMJ0.net

>>602
ドラゴンボールやワンピースって強い敵描写されても「でもどうせ生き返るし」「でもどうせ死なないんでしょ」という感覚で見るから
全くハラハラしないのが

ワンピースは半分以上返本になってるらしいから、人気なくなってるの聞いて凄い納得はした
ドラゴンボールは死んで生き返ってまでまだ戦うから人気あるのわからんでもないけど

672 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 11:36:26.69 ID:y2bya8uJ0.net

>>663
そうね、だからワンピースは緊張感がない。
まぁだからこそエースがより一層印象的なキャラになったんだろうけど
でも全体的にはテンション上がらんよな

532 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:15:01.57 ID:Znr7Bqnd0.net

主人公が付けてる耳飾りなんて明らかにアレなのに
韓国人は何故かダンマリ

554 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 20:28:15.13 ID:JhU8Nbw00.net

>>532
黙ってない
韓国版は書き換えられてる

540 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:47:19.45 ID:6NlCtYq20.net

ジャンプで全話読んだのに、単行本で買いそろえた自分にもびっくり。
こんないい作品が描かれたってこと自体が、一番の驚きかな。

544 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:59:14.30 ID:t4Ii69Ee0.net

>>540
これをいい作品
といってしまうところに
いい作品
の定義が変わったんだなってのは思う

いい作品ってのは
過去を踏まえ現在を描きこれからの指針となる
ってのがいい作品なんだと思うんだが
単に過去作の上手に焼き直しただけで
これからの積み上げや指針は一切ないからな
あるいは
今までを焼き直すだけでいいんだ
ってこれからの人たちに思わせちゃったら
やばいぞ

このブームは終わりの始まりと言うか
最後の炎とでも言おうか

これをいい作品ってやっぱ言ってはいけないと思うわ

560 :sage:2020/10/31(土) 20:59:12.01 ID:6NlCtYq20.net

>>544
そういう頭の中だけで考えた理屈で、人の気持ちって動かないもんだよ?

574 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 22:56:34.29 ID:5QeFpwMY0.net

何でここまで人気出たのかがわからない
そこそこ面白い漫画ではあったが、この煉獄が死ぬ回の連載時とか全然話題にならなかったよな
クラスで鬼滅の話するやつなんてほとんどおらんかったのに
いつ爆発したんだろう
クラスでも読んでるやつほとんどおらんかったから部活の仲の良い友達に煉獄死んじゃったねとか話してて、あの頃は一部のマニアックとまでは言わないけど読者しかおらんかったのに

579 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:35:40.48 ID:mBowgZju0.net

>>574
アニメで人気に火がついた。漫画はつまらなくはないけど個人的に中堅くらいかなとも思う。
でもアニメの作り込みが半端なくて、漫画の世界観が分かりやすくなってとっつきやすくなったのが大きいんじゃないかな。
自分も煉獄さんの死ぬシーンは漫画読んでも「ふーん」って感じだったけど、音響、映像の演出と何より声優の熱演で全く印象が違うものになったから、本当に良いスタッフに恵まれたんだと思ってるよ。ちなみに映画はガチで泣いた。アニメで泣くと思わなかった。異論は認める。

607 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 02:17:17.44 ID:Ic+/gjIy0.net

>>579
俺は君を認める!

原作が展開や絵が雑な分、アニメで丁寧に描く事で漫画家の言いたいことが増幅したね。
日本のアニメってすごいなぁって思いながら見たわ。

606 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 02:03:46.14 ID:W1+5MOwa0.net

映画はテレビアニメの続きになってるのな
映画のストーリーまだ序盤で結果はまだまだ先
この先が知りたければコミックスを買えと
ある意味ストレス
上手いことやるわw

610 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 04:21:05.21 ID:EDkEjSUW0.net

登場人物が今の状況をコナンくんばりに
ベラベラ喋る(というか思う)

(動きが早くて姿が見えない!)
(そうか!あの糸を使って操っているんだ!だから攻撃していまうのか!ひどい、何てことを!)

見りゃわかんだろ、ということも逐一説明するので子供でもわかりやすい
ただ普通の人が見たら超うるさい

全然説明しないエヴァも見習って欲しい

625 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 09:45:15.46 ID:aYVpgZNp0.net

>>610
>登場人物が今の状況をコナンくんばりに
ベラベラ喋る(というか思う)

それジャンプ漫画の特徴。
ジョジョ、ブリーチ、ナルトもみんなそれ。

626 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 10:02:02.74 ID:eOglpUm40.net

>>610
見せ方色々あるよなぁ

見当違いのところに拳銃を撃って勝利
ねぇ、ルパン、あの時なんであんなところを撃ったの?
ヌフフフ、なーにあそこに糸が見えたからさ
みたいな後から解説でもいいのにリアルタイムのモノローグ多すぎだよな

674 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 13:11:06.42 ID:iYlkv7r20.net

火の柱の人?死んだじゃん
あの鬼クラスは他にもいるんだろ

684 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 23:36:36.01 ID:pVpN5rL30.net

>>674
火じゃなくて炎な

688 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/03(火) 20:28:01.26 ID:HPimhfUh0.net

>>684 >>682

w
そういうちっせえことでネチネチしてるところが
いかにも麺篦鬼滅BBAだわ w
>>1

676 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 15:37:21.95 ID:uOp4oAc40.net

柱が死んで、大将にも逃げられてなかったか?

682 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 22:15:27.07 ID:eLJyEz9O0.net

>>676
>>677
炭治郎が勝利宣言してただろ!
何見てたんだお前ら。

75 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:31:01.26 ID:fKpwaChv0.net

辛坊ってケケ中の広報だろう
進行の女子アナをケケ中の前に差し出して
裸踊りさせてるも同じだと、ネッツで見た

91 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:40:58.94 ID:hi/aH8Bg0.net

>>75
ケケ中なんて住民税は回避するしろくでもない男だよね。
よく生き残ってると本当に思うわ。

141 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:58:17.88 ID:6yXTfRQ70.net

>>75
ケケ中ってなんだよ

気色悪い人間だな

76 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:31:11.92 ID:hi/aH8Bg0.net

>>1
さんざん自己責任を言ってたくせに自分自身のヨットを沈没させて大迷惑かけた方の言うことは違うわ。
恐れいりました。

150 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:00:47.08 ID:6yXTfRQ70.net

>>76
底辺貧乏人の怠け者は自己責任って言葉は嫌いだよな(笑)

馬鹿で怠け者で貧乏とか救いようがない惨めな人生だ(笑)

543 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:58:52.53 ID:/zHHrfGC0.net

>>76
意味不明な混同してんじゃねえよキチガイ!
それ自己責任と関係ないだろキチガイ

101 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:44:57.23 ID:83TkOHeJ0.net

煉獄さん負けたじゃん(´・_・`)

109 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:47:11.81 ID:ilID3uDi0.net

>>101
雑魚のくどい説明によって判定勝ち

103 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:45:16.34 ID:82ZN1mB00.net

パワハラおっさんが正義て

107 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:46:55.84 ID:Y5YV4lYS0.net

>>103
パワハラオッサンはだいたい自分が正義のつもりなんやで
相手を悪と決めつけてやりたい放題するのが好き

116 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:49:53.41 ID:Wd6dkeD+0.net

辛坊のせいで、みんなネタバレ書いてるw

126 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:51:50.03 ID:CdY40wc8O.net

>>116
まあ完結してる以上ネタバレもないんだけどね
ファンとしての品位を考えたら配慮や節度も必要だとは思うけど

135 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:56:33.43 ID:fzNMntWA0.net

不覚にもってなかなか失礼

323 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:39:47.47 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>135
最初に思った。
マジで失礼

144 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 11:59:14.06 ID:RLW4j4UE0.net

列車の敵倒した所で終わったと思って席を立ったんでは?

334 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:44:56.08 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>144
あ、それだw

158 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:04:26.43 ID:Y5YV4lYS0.net

>>157
ダイの大冒険は最初から最後までチート性能でやりたい放題だったが

183 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:12:00.18 ID:iMrn5K3E0.net

>>158
最後の神話兵器ゴメちゃんのおかげでみんなの世界中の人々の意思がひとつになりなんかバーンのやつ壊してなかったっけ弱体化してなかったっけ

182 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:11:44.61 ID:LAuNbV1x0.net

レンゴクはエースのパクりやしな
黒ひげと戦うときの
産屋式自爆もネテロパクりやし

203 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:18:40.93 ID:YcmvuotD0.net

>>182
煽りに乗った結果死んだエースなんかホリエモンとかわらん
後輩をかばって逝った煉獄と同列にするな

196 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:15:28.03 ID:PYcv+m0A0.net

正直感動出来なかったな
ウルウル涙流せるものかと思ったけど、アニメの出来が100点だとすればこの映画は50点
及第点も取れてない

伊之助とタンジロウがエンムを倒すシーンは良かった
煉獄とアカザの戦闘シーンはごちゃごちゃ描いてるだけで、かなり雑
二人がどんな闘いをしてるのかよくわからない
ただ強い二人がぶつかり合うだけ
映画でやるならもっと戦闘シーンで楽しませてくれよ

419 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:26:29.28 ID:IeGRWFl00.net

>>196
>煉獄とアカザの戦闘シーンはごちゃごちゃ描いてるだけ
>ただ強い二人がぶつかり合うだけ

雰囲気だけで中身が伴ってなかったね
ドラゴンボールをさらに酷くした感じ
響凱倒したときみたいな面白い戦いを見たかった
あと余談だが、カスガイガラスの泣くシーンとかいらない
あれ人によってはシラけると思う

212 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:22:04.49 ID:HSpNHBBJ0.net

まだ観てない人。原作読むかアマプラか何かで予習しとかんとキツいぞ

216 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:23:00.16 ID:OdjMW54Z0.net

>>212
いらん。登場人物も少ないし、映画だけでわかる

213 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:22:20.30 ID:YcmvuotD0.net

そもそも鬼殺隊に入った時点で全集中の呼吸乱用するから
寿命の前借りみたいな状態なんだろ
痣なんか出た日にゃ25前には死ぬわけだしな
基本的に鬼狩りの若者に未来はないんだよな

天狗とか雷ジジイは普通にジジイになるまで生きてたけどなw

220 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:24:01.84 ID:4Uw/JQ2w0.net

>>213
それ系で実際に死ぬこと少ないよな笑
あと、一か八かで失敗することもほぼ無い

218 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:23:46.03 ID:bITZ8dzF0.net

>>214
監督や脚本家がひねくれてるだけ
アニメ漫画原作すら捏ね繰回すし

251 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:39:48.81 ID:bWvoYrtV0.net

>>218
逆のパターンもあるけどね
進撃は原作に沿った脚本を見せたら作者からNGが出た

249 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 12:39:29.99 ID:P+ZX6O2Z0.net

辛抱さんラジオでも鬼滅の話ばっかしてるよなw

539 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:43:45.63 ID:6NlCtYq20.net

>>249
はまったんだね。
職場なんかでも、普段は漫画なんか読まなそうな人が全巻大人買いしてて驚きだよ。

280 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:03:25.03 ID:EH58qfoQ0.net

そんなに良いの?
ショーシャンクとかゴッドファーザーとかとどっちがいいの?

285 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:09:28.07 ID:uOoxjAtp0.net

>>280
ショーシャク   →努力は報われる
ゴッドファーザー →家族を大事に

一緒やな

296 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:15:03.77 ID:wexkAgdy0.net

本当に見たのか?
最後悪者逃げちゃうけど

304 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:24:29.09 ID:sEH5rk7l0.net

>>296
お前、これから見るひともいんだからさ、
そーゆー事いうなってーの

305 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:24:44.75 ID:qyPb3cQ70.net

最近、キメツとキツメをガチで間違って冷や汗かいた

316 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:35:01.15 ID:T+R/GEOr0.net

>>305
後ろ半分を間違えてなければセーフ

320 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:37:37.74 ID:3sy/KuHt0.net

ネタバレするのももうしゃあないけど
煉獄のキャラと結末はまさに王道の少年漫画のストーリー
かなりわかりやすく感動できる出来だと思うけどな

353 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:07:06.17 ID:8MYYuwh00.net

>>320
感動という点では全編通しても煉獄死ぬところがクライマックスだからなあ

329 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 13:40:53.55 ID:t4Ii69Ee0.net

遊郭編二時間持つのか?
物語前の方三分の一はコメディだぞ
ド派手アクションは後半にしかない
持つのか?

364 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:21:54.09 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>329
話さえちゃんとしてればもつ。
昔の幽霊映画とか、途中は匂わせるだけで
本体が出てくるのは映画の後半だけだった

381 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:46:05.13 ID:dRoZwsAH0.net

観終わってから煉獄が殉死してストレス溜まりまくりなんだが

401 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:55:11.45 ID:6BI/P/pe0.net

>>381
映画は煉獄が殉死ってのがキーワードなんだろ
そこで煉獄が殉死しないと観客も泣くことはない

384 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:48:11.00 ID:dRoZwsAH0.net

ほんとに観たのか?コイツ?
観たとしたら感性違い過ぎて相容れないわ

388 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:50:05.24 ID:mysk0FYV0.net

>>384
このジジイは悪人だから、こいつにとっては猗窩座が正義なんだろうなw

403 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 14:56:12.33 ID:dRoZwsAH0.net

>>401
辛坊のストレスがたまらないと言う話をしてるのだが

452 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:17:39.92 ID:mFKZw7VG0.net

>>403
辛抱が言いたかったのは暗にこれ

今話題、大阪市議員「都構想実現したら
      公務員の天下り先がなくなる!」 と、マジ発言

tps://youtu.be/WGGGiQ6dnsw
都構想反対派って公務員のために反対してるのかとドン引きする
まじ必見のお笑い

今大阪では笑えない事になってるから

410 :朝鮮漬 :2020/10/31(土) 15:01:54.66 ID:o0176XLh0.net

ゴンとカイトの関係があってこその
カイトが殺されてブチ切れゴンさん
(^。^)y-.。o○

ほとんど炭治郎と煉獄に絡みあらへんのに
炭治郎なーにをムキになってねん(^。^)y-.。o○

ま、原作からして話が単純なんだけどな

420 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:26:50.65 ID:CYx3VsY50.net

>>410
そういう部分はあったほうがいいよね
銀色の髪のアギトとかいうのがホントそんな感じでちょっと会っただけの少女を大きな犠牲を出してまで奪回しに行く話で超イミフだったわ
まず恋人でも幼なじみでもない相手にそこまでしつこく固執する動機付けが全くないんだよね
煉獄さんに稽古をつけてもらった恋柱ならまだしも炭次郎がそこまで?って疑問に思うよな

まだ観てないけどね

417 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:24:43.83 ID:ilID3uDi0.net

鬼になるならないのやり取りは妖怪になったゆう白の戸愚呂と玄海のやり取りと同じやんw

424 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 15:32:38.73 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>417
そういうのは1978年に藤子不二雄fも
流血鬼という短編でやってるね。
作品自体も面白いから見てみるといいかも。
ニコ動にあるし

453 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 16:18:58.43 ID:TbHGzbcf0.net

煉獄さんは負けてない!の所泣いた
でもそれ負け惜しみじゃんと泣きながら少し思った

473 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 17:29:01.99 ID:zA5CGKwW0.net

>>453
実際負け惜しみなんで切ないんだろうw

482 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 17:57:13.34 ID:gFVd5tBm0.net

イラク人質事件で自己責任!自己責任!と言ってた辛坊治郎が、勝手にボートで海に言って税金3千〜5千万円かけで救助されたのでストレスたまるな。
自己責任なら勝手に溺死しとけよ。

542 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:55:54.52 ID:/zHHrfGC0.net

>>482
お前知恵遅れだろ?

国民のやってはいけない共通観念だった当時のイラクに行くことと
単なるボートは違うだろアホ。

484 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 17:59:08.37 ID:cal7rGGU0.net

創価学会の嫌がらせの手口について、10年以上前に、現役会員が手口を暴露した事実がある事をご存知だろうか

>627 名前: クロトワ(新潟県) 投稿日: 2008/06/23(月) 16:30:00.90 ID:ql5UinYO0
>>> 608
>集団ストーカーなど存在しない。
>地区幹はその地域の個人一人一人の電話番号、住所、
>詳しい地図、身辺情報などを網羅したデータベースを作って持っているいるだけだ。
>気に入らなかったら3人ぐらいの学会員にストーカー、引越し(最悪自殺)に追い込むための
>ネガティブキャンペーンをその人間の住んでる地域で行うだけ。
>それが集団ストーカーに見えちゃうなら仕方ないな。

投稿者の素性は、他の投稿から、親と姉も学会員の学会3世
姉は成績優秀だったが、創価大学に進学させられ、統合失調症を発症
信心すれば治ると信じて疑わない両親が適切な治療を受けさせなかった為、悪化
中越大震災で家が滅茶苦茶に、母も入院、父の会社も不況で倒産寸前、自身も重度の糖尿病を患うに至る
他にも様々な不幸があったが、脱会したくても脱会できない立場で
学会に深い恨みを持つようになり、この暴露に至った、とわかっている

ネットでは、創価学会が集団ストーカーを行っていて
電磁波攻撃や思考盗聴や音声送信、テクノロジー犯罪を行っている等という投稿があるが
あれら投稿は、その多くが、被害者を偽装した学会員の仕業だ

創価学会は確かに、集団ストーカーと呼ばれる組織犯罪を行っている
しかし、電磁波攻撃、思考盗聴、音声送信、テクノロジー犯罪等は一切行っていない
実際に行っている犯罪に、これらを抱き合わせた上で、異常な言動を合わせる事で
創価学会が集団ストーカーを働いていると主張する者は
学会の主張通り『統合失調症』という印象を持たせる目的で、そのようなネット工作をしている
本当に異常極まりないカルト、それが創価学会の実態だ
※なお黒幕は信濃町総本部の学会幹部です

以下、創価学会が行っている集団ストーカーと呼ばれる組織犯罪の手口と目的
(ベースは裁判所に提出された、某企業が某宗教団体に依頼して従業員に行った集団ストーカー関連の公開文章)
>不都合な人や始末したい人がいる際には、まず集団ストーカーと呼ばれる手口で、
>・ その人の周辺に複数の人間が常につきまとわせて、その人に精神的苦痛を与え続ける
>・ その事によって、その人がたまらなくなって、怒鳴ったり暴力を振るったりしやすいようにする
>・ もしくは、精神的苦痛で自殺しやすい状況にする行為を続ける
>・ 被害を訴える人に対し、医師に誤診させて、統合失調症の診断書を作り、被害者の発言の信憑性を低下させる
>・ その上で医師が治療と称し措置入院等を行う事で、報道、捜査機関、裁判所等を欺いて対応が出来ないようにする
>・ 社会的に抹殺し、絶望させる事で、被害者を自殺や泣き寝入りに追い込む。

また15年程前、2chに集団ストーカー業者が現れて独白した際に、語った手口の一つが下記
>『ターゲット周囲に人を仕込み、日中、例えば、メロンというキーワードを喋らせて、ターゲットに繰り返し聞かせる
> 翌朝、ターゲット宅の玄関前に、メロンを置いておく。すると朝刊を取りに玄関に出たターゲットはメロンを見て驚く
> このようにターゲットを精神的に追い詰める事を無数にやり、気が狂うように仕向ける。ターゲットは会社役員だったが自殺した』
> ※ターゲットに対する精神的虐待をガスライティングと言うが、これはその一種と思われる(学会の集ストでも当然行われている)

創価学会が行う嫌がらせは下記の通り
・スマホとLINEを使用し、組織的に連携した尾行や監視、付き纏い行為
・ターゲットの居住地域、ターゲットの職場で、悪評を拡散し、人間関係を破壊して孤立させると同時に、引っ越しや退職に追い込もうとする
・就労妨害、昇進昇任妨害、営業妨害、ターゲットが経営する店や会社を倒産させようとする工作
・精神的苦痛を与え続け、ターゲットの自殺を誘発する行為を意識的に行う
・(現在は取り締まり強化でなりを潜めたが)煽り運転、交通事故誘発狙いの危険運転をターゲットの運転車両に行う
・ネットストーカー行為全般
・その他、警察が違法行為として取り締まりにくいタイプの卑劣で陰湿、悪質な嫌がらせ行為全般

●関連スレ 各地方で起きている村八分に関して
https://archive.vn/LmfeA
(削除されたスレのウェブ魚拓)f19

522 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:49:55.08 ID:nPfbx8Bo0.net

創価学会の嫌がらせ行為の黒幕は、信濃町総本部の学会幹部です
https://matsuri.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ms/1603716395/1-14
>1 :テンプレ ◆Rr.V4pIjXE []:2020/10/26(月) 21:46:35.81 ID:0FjuccQi0
>創価学会の地方組織は

>方面――総県――圏(地域によってはなし)――本部――支部――地区――ブロック

>となっています
>ちなみに全国は14の方面に分かれており
>(中略)
>となっています
>創価学会が特定個人の嫌がらせ行為を働くときには

>信濃町の総本部の幹部 → 方面幹部 → 総県幹部

>という形で、特定個人に嫌がらせをしろと、総本部の幹部が指示が下りる事で行われます

>つまり嫌がらせ行為を行わせている黒幕は、信濃町にある総本部の幹部だという事です
>文字通り、創価学会による組織的な嫌がらせ行為というのが実態です

2015年1月頃、創価学会の嫌がらせ被害者が民事裁判を起こし、騒ぎになりました。
被害者は勧誘を断っただけで嫌がらせを受けるようになった非会員の一般人でした。
政治家でもなければ、ジャーナリストでもない、敵対教団の関係者ですらない。
ごく普通の方です。

そんな人に対する嫌がらせでさえ、信濃町の総本部からの指示により、行われているのです。

つまり創価学会という団体の実態は、組織犯罪集団である、という事なのです。

詳しくお知りになりたい方は上記のスレッドのリンク先を参照してください。

※この情報は >>484 の続きです
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496 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:20:02.30 ID:6NlCtYq20.net

悪と戦って正義が勝つ。
やっぱ、これだよね。
こういう話が見たかった。

517 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:44:33.19 ID:mysk0FYV0.net

>>496
正義(煉獄)は殺されて、悪(猗窩座)が勝ち逃げしてしまうんだが

497 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:20:50.29 ID:QPAOXiFZ0.net

いや、映画で最後は負けてたやんw

501 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:25:45.03 ID:iWJ9l7T80.net

>>497
いや、上弦参送り込んで柱をなんとか一人倒しただけじゃあかんやろ
漫画でもその後上弦参怒られてたやん無惨に

515 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:41:39.58 ID:n1z0j4nV0.net

映画見てきたけど上弦があんなチートじゃ無惨なんて勝てるわけがないというリアルな絶望感と、それでもやってやるという漢気がよかった

辛坊治郎はドラゴンボールと勘違いしてるんじゃないかな

528 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:00:11.11 ID:XWgoAtDt0.net

>>515
ドラゴンボールと言えばバーダックや未来トランクスはTVスペシャルの話?

525 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:56:32.34 ID:BSSBd8Gf0.net

>>1 なんかちょっと違う。本当に見たのだろうか・・・

552 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 20:16:06.75 ID:Eyi3RAcy0.net

>>525

w w w w w
麺篦鬼滅ヲタ w
図星突かれていらいら w

531 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:12:22.94 ID:aiwPdElp0.net

>>6
知ったような口きいてんなよw

581 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:41:51.13 ID:Eyi3RAcy0.net

>>531

w w w
効いてる効いてるw

そうか?w
ポンコツ映画の興行収入に一喜一憂するメンヘラ鬼滅ヲタなんて
そのまんまだろ w
>>1

571 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 22:47:07.97 ID:zXNOXBUv0.net

腐女子に感謝しないとな

582 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:44:41.74 ID:Eyi3RAcy0.net

>>571

w w w
ぽんこつ鬼滅に貢ぐために
あんなことやこんなこと w

結局鬼滅ヲタがヤッテることはジャニヲタと同類 www
>>1 >>2-1000

575 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:06:40.61 ID:lAU4q2De0.net

なんかわかってないな辛坊さすがだ
絶対この男とは話が合わないな
どんなフィクションだってほとんど正義が勝ってるなか
鬼滅は全然正義が傷んでるほうなのに

590 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 00:47:23.04 ID:MqiWQiUA0.net

>>575

w
大ヒント しょせん人間の敵は人間 w

そもそも人間が正義とは限るまい w

めんへら鬼滅ヲタの薄っぺらさにkusa w
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604 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 01:57:36.78 ID:LYz8wQ9c0.net

>>597
何度退治してもゾンビのように復活する野党議員の話ですか?(笑)

628 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 10:25:05.20 ID:MqiWQiUA0.net

>>604

w
効いてる効いてる w
>>1

630 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 10:27:57.21 ID:bSOqfL820.net

>>597
確かにミンス政権は日本人にとって悪そのものだったよな

お前もそう思ってたのか

637 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 13:31:39.36 ID:MqiWQiUA0.net

>>630

w
涙目馬鹿ウヨ日課の自己紹介 w
>>1

644 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 21:51:06.45 ID:sEPFVQAk0.net

むしろ理不尽に人が死に過ぎだろ

鬼一匹死ぬたびにめちゃくちゃフォーカスされるけど
鬼殺隊の雑魚なんか秒で死んで何のフォローもなし
鬼に情けかける暇あるなら味方をどうにかせえよと

一番意味わからんかったんが
山の中の試験
ただリタイアさせるんじゃなくて
マジで死なせるから修行意味なくねみたいな

654 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 06:07:34.95 ID:eZvmmRpH0.net

>>644
空飛び回ってる段階でファンタジー

物理法則無視も甚だしい

物理なめんな

661 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 07:18:01.46 ID:M73V+mSM0.net

さすがの辛坊も局からの圧力には勝てなかったか
テレビマンはエンタメの一員だしな
まあ、この漫画が面白いかどうかは人それぞれ
ゴリ押しされても一般人には問題ないか

664 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 08:20:02.62 ID:FjE6e/Ho0.net

>>661
辛抱は以前から普通に宣伝するタイプだったぞ、基本的にロビイストみたいなもんだし。

486 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:00:33.20 ID:9Pp9OfAW0.net

最後に正義は勝ってないし…

488 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:00:43.29 ID:hDhfdn3o0.net

>>483
この映画から面白くなってくるよ

490 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:01:54.64 ID:9Pp9OfAW0.net

>>483
アニメは3話くらいで面白いと感じないなら
最後までそんな感じだよ

492 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:04:40.89 ID:d6qcYagb0.net

え?
勝ったの?
見てないでしょ

495 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:11:09.95 ID:0/JDE3ci0.net

>>483
一話目の感覚で面白いと思えないんだったら
たぶんその後もハマらんだろうな

498 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:22:05.83 ID:QPAOXiFZ0.net

>>483
ドラえもんとかワンピースでも見てろ

505 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:28:43.00 ID:n1z0j4nV0.net

>>503
アニメのシーズン1の続きが映画

506 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:28:48.85 ID:qruolcEp0.net

煉獄さんがアインズ様と知って驚いた

508 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:31:08.94 ID:DSAl+FA40.net

無限列車では負けてるでしょ
勝つのは義太夫から先

519 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 18:47:00.34 ID:QUvpEfL50.net

正義が負けたけどな

534 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:19:15.45 ID:/N9dbPib0.net

大正時代から最終話でいきなり現代に話が変わって、子孫や転生したそっくりさんが幸せに暮らしてますエンドやぞ?単行本のおまけネタのきめつ学園みたいな感じ。
ラスボス無惨が長年探し続けていたキーアイテムの青い彼岸花はイノスケの子孫が見つけたけど枯らしてしまいましたw

二次創作かと思えるクソ最終回やろ
大正時代でたんじろうとカナヲか、善逸とネズコの祝言エンドで良かったやろ、、、

537 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:28:32.92 ID:0kjaPHxR0.net

今予備知識無しで評判だけ聞いて鬼滅見に行ってもがっかりするだけだと思うな
ハードル上がりすぎてるだろ
自分も昔もののけ姫とか千と千尋をテレビの評判で期待して
初めて見たらこんなもんかって感想しか無かった

545 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 19:59:39.66 ID:3CstIo7F0.net

別の映画でも見たのか…酷いな

547 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 20:03:43.88 ID:yQxvOSOU0.net

アニメは全話みたが犬夜叉は超えないな
柱って人間か?あれは鬼だろw

548 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 20:04:48.21 ID:cXaWtyZt0.net

映画では正義負けてるぞ

557 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 20:38:26.23 ID:s6F9/+fq0.net

やっぱりバカだった

564 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 21:42:19.07 ID:RpKe/GxJ0.net

ホントに見てんのこいつ?
なにが正義なのか犠牲者なのか主人公が葛藤するやつやろ

566 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 22:00:24.92 ID:NecMNxPZ0.net

も、もう辛坊たまらん

567 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 22:14:10.03 ID:wIzex/7w0.net

映画見てもっと知りたくなり漫画買ってる人増えたね

572 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 22:49:01.04 ID:WYO+yc290.net

ジジイにコメントさせて年配客も取り込む作戦か

576 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:16:40.95 ID:mwfQj1sV0.net

映画の列車編に限って言えば「正義がとことんボロ負けして叩きのめされた」回なんだよなw
見ずに書いてるか、もしくは寝てたんだろうなこいつはwww

578 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:20:44.67 ID:81EAVyA00.net

>>1
絶対に見てないだろ
観たとしたらどんでもない馬鹿

584 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/10/31(土) 23:59:22.65 ID:AGnerg1A0.net

映画からが本番で、
それまではチュートリアルって感じ?(´・ω・`)

587 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 00:23:59.43 ID:m7YTyJsm0.net

正義の味方・煉獄さんは悪のアカザに殺されちゃうんだが
こいつテキトーなこと言いすぎだろ

593 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 01:14:47.04 ID:PzSweBfu0.net

こいつ相当ばか!

598 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 01:23:55.76 ID:Dbs3v/ah0.net

辛坊さん、映画は地上波の蜘蛛山の前の話とか適当な事言ってたけど、知ったかしてる誰かに吹き込まれたのかな?

600 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 01:45:02.62 ID:n2quLEYk0.net

>>561
「ちゃんとキャラが死ぬ漫画」
確かに。
ほんとあれで緊張感がでた

603 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 01:56:38.32 ID:LYz8wQ9c0.net

勧善懲悪→鬼が退治される

実際の結末→炎柱が死んで、鬼は逃亡

605 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 01:59:13.04 ID:ED2ONb7D0.net

毒使って複数人で一人ボコるわアニメ制作陣と信者は犯罪者だわで鬼滅のどこが正義なんだよ

608 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 02:43:27.16 ID:Pm12yQNI0.net

オンラインゲームのチームが、お互いをブロックしあう最悪の結末を迎えて崩壊した話。
http://towxs.donlafferty.org/ctcs/4YDCLRSpEx.html

「5億円稼いだら辞めると決めていた」カカクコムを創業し、28歳でリタイアした男の今
http://towxs.donlafferty.org/vtcs/49uKiHo4Ne.htm

609 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 02:43:59.48 ID:DfENvpRe0.net

お前は乗っかってこないでヨットで沖に出てけ

613 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 05:20:20.10 ID:TIh5IQNx0.net

こういう映画って
その人が見た映画の中で人生で一番良かった映画とかに入るわけ?

615 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 07:24:19.32 ID:VuBVRjsP0.net

さすが自己責任を 中東に取材に行ってテロリストに拉致されたカメラマンに言っておいて
自分はクソ冒険ヨット旅行で 速攻自衛隊に救助求めただけはある

616 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 07:40:20.19 ID:fXjWHXxQ0.net

かまぼこ「煉獄さんは負けてない!」

617 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 07:50:20.11 ID:fLGiEO2E0.net

>>1
映画等の感想としては最悪
現実はその方がいいだろうが創作物はどうあってもいい

619 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 08:38:46.93 ID:b1jtLcfd0.net

鬼滅の刃は下記の現象と同じ
それ以上でもそれ以下でもない

東京喰種が大ヒット
黒子のバスケが大ヒット
テニスの王子様が大ヒット
弱虫ペダルが大ヒット
聖闘士星矢が大ヒット
幽遊白書が大ヒット
るろうに剣心が大ヒット
ひかるの碁が大ヒット
スラムダンクが大ヒット
ハイキュー!! が大ヒット

だから必死になって分かったふりして語らなくても大丈夫

620 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 08:40:02.12 ID:JVdF7oE80.net

1話見たが妹が凶暴になったかおが気持ち悪くて見るのやめた

640 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 14:39:43.46 ID:oy+ZR+I20.net

>>312
ステマってのはワンピースのバスターコールみたいなやつのこと

バスターコールプロジェクトとは
急に現れた謎の非公式がワンピースの関連作品が売れないのは東映やバンダイのせいだと名指しで批判。グッズも映像も有志で作っていくと宣言

作者も公認

著作権の問題やステマは許さない海外から身元を明かすよう要求されるなど様々な問題が発生

実は集英社公式で作者も最初から知ってました!wってオチ
つまり尾田自らが東映とバンダイを批判して立ち上げたプロジェクトになる
そして謝罪

641 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 14:40:43.76 ID:oy+ZR+I20.net

>>412
鬼滅は電通関係ないぞ

「千と千尋の神隠し」は電通だけどな
https://www.group.dentsu.com/jp/about-us/history/2001-2.html

643 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/01(日) 21:28:48.16 ID:PzSweBfu0.net

こいつばかだろ

647 :sage:2020/11/01(日) 22:24:26.65 ID:w2ESx/7d0.net

>>642
ネタバレしたくてウズウズ。
使えるようになる。
あれは始まりの剣士の呼吸で、無惨と上弦の壱が後継者を殺し尽くして絶えさせたはずのものだったんだよ。

649 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 04:12:04.78 ID:5/UNGkos0.net

オンラインゲームのチームが、お互いをブロックしあう最悪の結末を迎えて崩壊した話。
http://socisy.vasuarte.net/ctcs/y7pT76lxN3.html

「5億円稼いだら辞めると決めていた」カカクコムを創業し、28歳でリタイアした男の今
http://socisy.vasuarte.net/vtcs/LRK0pZpdfi.htm

651 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 05:55:49.60 ID:MKvO8hQB0.net

「正義は勝つ」って・・
十二鬼月の上弦3の鬼アカザが出てきて煉獄さんぶっ頃されちゃうのに

652 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 06:02:15.98 ID:XBGiNOf/0.net

たしかに勧善懲悪ダッセーみたいな風潮あるから
両者グレーです。正義や悪の線引きは出来ません。的作品ばかりだもんな。
それはそれで面白いけど、オタじゃない人達は水戸黄門みたいなのが見たいのよ

653 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 06:05:19.12 ID:eZvmmRpH0.net

>>1
その通り

維新は負けた

658 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 06:56:15.26 ID:gjruGjAn0.net

>>44
でなぜか桃太郎が悪人にされるんだろ?
散々強盗殺人的な事繰り返してきたような鬼が退治されたからって
鬼の子供が「僕のパパは桃太郎という男に殺されました!」と被害者面するパヨク映画

ここ何十年かメジャーマイナー含めてそういうパヨク映画だらけだったような気がするけど?

君が言ってる鬼にも正義があるんじゃ?みたいな作品の方が日本ではありふれてないか?
被害者の人権は果てしなく踏み躙って加害者の人権を果てしなく尊重する朝日新聞やNHKみたいな正義
いじめられる方が悪いみたいな正義

660 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 07:14:45.84 ID:UvL4+SHB0.net

いや、勝ってないじゃん。
煉獄が殺されとるし、鬼に逃げられたし。

665 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 08:34:11.18 ID:NxqLPX/P0.net

ストレスが最高かと思ったよ

666 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 09:51:07.77 ID:iWEkCWj90.net

煉獄さんは現代に輪廻転生ちゃんとしてるし
最終的には勝ったよ

675 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 15:36:07.24 ID:RyGHD81Z0.net

>>1 ステマ無駄 …
社長が2回脱税で摘発された犯罪者、近藤光

近藤光は韓国法人会長、NPO法人マチ★アソビ代表、つまり日本人の税金を吸い取っている寄生虫。

グロ満載で子供に悪影響
理由もなく刀で岩が切れる世界
戦って簡単な修行して倒すバカループ
吐き気のするギャグ。
内容の8割はゴミ設定の説明セリフ
ラスボスは簡単に毒殺
死に落ちしか書けない無能な作者
死んだ仲間は全員現代に転生する糞END
^^・ 、 、 −
日本人の税金がnpo法人をトンネルにして韓国の糞ステマアニメに使い込まれてんだよ,,,.

678 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 16:47:09.51 ID:d32Zk2oz0.net

映画を見て初めて内容を知った位の初心者なのに、私が皆さんに鬼滅の刃をレクチャーしましょうって偉そうにラジオで言ってた
どんだけ自慢したがりなんだこいつ

680 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/02(月) 21:44:36.05 ID:lGsEawTj0.net

ヨットに乗ってどこまでも

685 :名無しさん@恐縮です:2020/11/03(火) 00:16:08.56 ID:VgLAy7E60.net

戦え!戦え!って進撃のパクリじゃん。

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